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1 posted on 03/16/2009 11:13:43 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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2 posted on 03/16/2009 11:14:34 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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Already looking into a home swap. I haven’t decided which state can hold out the longest and keep with the Constitution.
The Libertarians wanted/ have moved to N.H. without much luck except for making annoyances of themselves about legalizing weed.


4 posted on 03/16/2009 11:20:14 AM PDT by lucky american (Glenn Beck Rocks!!!)
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Marking for later read. So... first there was Yuri Bezmenov. Now Panarin.


5 posted on 03/16/2009 11:22:10 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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This guy talks in circles. He says that the world would be dominated by China because of their nuclear arsenal, then goes on to say that they would invade the US and take over the west coast. Last check we have a lot more nukes then they (the Chinese) do. His logic doesn't check out. As for Russia bagging Alaska, same problem. Unless Alaska wants to become part of Russia, and it doesn't, then it isn't going to.

Now the US may break up into 3-4 independent nations for the reasons given, but the only part of the US that might end up as part of another country is California, that may end up going back to Mexico. Again, because if CW II causes the Anglos to flee, the majority of people in the region will want to be part of Mexico. And a large part of the rest of the country will want them, and their massive debts, San Francisco liberals, and Environuts to go away. After all if Mexico takes back California we get rid of Arnold and Nancy right away, and Obama can't win the White House without California's electoral votes.
7 posted on 03/16/2009 11:31:49 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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an ideological split in the ruling class, rising indebtedness, economic collapse, and declining moral standards. A country like the United States is ripe for civil war
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He’s 100% correct. The divide is too great. It has progressed to 2 sides that hate each other. Politicians pitted us against each other. The cultural divide it too great. We aren’t all a team of Americans any longer. The end result can’t be good.


9 posted on 03/16/2009 11:45:08 AM PDT by mojitojoe ( Idiots elected a Marxist ideologue with narcissistic personality disorder & America is dying.)
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. The people of America will turn against one another.
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Will? They already have. Read DU. They hate us, we hate them.


10 posted on 03/16/2009 11:46:40 AM PDT by mojitojoe ( Idiots elected a Marxist ideologue with narcissistic personality disorder & America is dying.)
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By the way, this is an excellent article and I don’t see on thing in it that I don’t think could easily happen or is happening.


12 posted on 03/16/2009 11:49:40 AM PDT by mojitojoe ( Idiots elected a Marxist ideologue with narcissistic personality disorder & America is dying.)
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Somehow, and IMHO, I don’t think Europe and Japan would remain weak if the US ceased to exist. I think they would rise from their slumber and lay down a massive a$$ whoppin on everyone within twenty years. It would be like letting lions out of the zoo. They would get very hungry and very independent very quickly.


20 posted on 03/16/2009 12:52:35 PM PDT by MattinNJ (Sanford/Palin in 2012)
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The doctrine that a State, or aggregate of States, could withdraw from the Union has been advanced before, and in fact, there was one abortive attempt in 1861, which was crushed by force of arms. The Confederated States of America had a perfectly legal basis for their actions, but the more centralized Union has greater access to industrial might and much more cash on hand to prosecute the war to re-create the previously existing political arrangement, while imposing its will on the defeated former Confederacy. What was generally known as “the South” was condemned to second-class citizenry and a very long-term depressed economy, until they became important to routing the dominant power of the Northern industrial and financial complex. The effect was greatly accelerated by the push to decentralize, and all this cheap real estate was just lying there, backed up by a work force willing to work for a more equitable wage than had been negotiated by union tactics in the old Rust Belt.

Therefore, new industry crowded into what had been an economic wasteland, and the country bloomed. The “new South” became a beacon for ALL America, and the American Dream simply shifted to focus on that part of America.

The point here is, is the possibility of a successful secession still there? Economically, it appears to be much more viable than it was in 1861, and politically, such a secession would be on much stronger moral grounds, still in defense of states rights, but not based on the principle of preserving specific institutions.

And the right to secede has not been prohibited by any interpretation of the Constitution.


23 posted on 03/16/2009 1:26:06 PM PDT by alloysteel (Obama was lying, your rights are dying)
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I think the author has grossly overestimated the outcome of a breakup of the United States. Russia has the will to project power that far but not the means, and what they do have is dwindling. Georgia, yes, the Ukraine, maybe and maybe not, eastern Washington and Oregon, not a chance. China has perhaps a fraction of the means but not the will, excepting such close-to-home areas as Taiwan, Tibet, and North Korea. They're going to be hard pressed to avoid an economic collapse if we decide to split up. And Mexico taking over anything at the moment is a little hard to figure. They can't control Mexico.

Were the United States to break up along the fissures described we'd likely go from being the most powerful country in the world to the four most powerful countries. Our biggest challenge would be to keep from shooting one another.

And it might be in vain. If New York and Boston wind up in different countries there'd be an exchange of nuclear weapons every time the American League playoffs came around.

25 posted on 03/16/2009 1:53:22 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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