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Obama Budget To Include Up To $1 Trillion For National Healthcare; Another Pile Of Crap Power Grab
The ConservativeXpress ^ | 2/25/2009 | The ConservativeXpress

Posted on 02/25/2009 7:42:11 PM PST by trying17 (AKA DrGop0821)

I'm done. I've had it with the Liberals and their blank check mentality.

Seriously, $1 Trillion for national health care that has never worked anywhere on the planet!?!

The Washington Post reports:

President Obama intends to release a budget tomorrow that creates a 10-year, $634 billion "reserve fund" to partially pay for a vast expansion of the U.S. health care system, an overhaul that many experts project will cost as much as $1 trillion over the next decade.

$1 Trillion? This is another freaking joke! Our President is out of control!

Obama would pay for the expansion by trimming tax breaks for the wealthy and tightening payments to insurers, hospitals and physicians, according to a senior administration official.

Oh, right. Robin Hood-onomics. Steal from the "rich" to give the poor. Gimme a break.

By first identifying a large pot of money to underwrite health care reform -- before laying out a proposal on who would be covered or how -- Obama hopes to signal his willingness to negotiate with Congress over the details of an eventual plan.

"Before laying out a proposal" Obama is hoping to quickly pass more Socialist legislative crap before America sees what is happening.

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TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: hopeychangey; marxism; nationalhealthcare; obama; socialism; zero

1 posted on 02/25/2009 7:42:11 PM PST by trying17 (AKA DrGop0821)
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To: trying17

He likes the sound of ‘trillion’ too much.


2 posted on 02/25/2009 7:45:12 PM PST by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: skr

How about a little Churchill: “The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal division of blessings, while the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal division of misery.”


3 posted on 02/25/2009 7:46:50 PM PST by exist
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To: trying17

Make sense to do this since Medicare is such a success story. Total Medicare spending reached $440 billion for fiscal year 2007, or 16% of all federal spending. Fewer than 5% of Medicare claims are audited. The annual cost to taxpayers of Medicare fraud is estimated to be over $60 billion.


4 posted on 02/25/2009 8:00:52 PM PST by modhom
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To: trying17

Don’t worry about it, a trillion here, a trillion there and pretty soon we’ll be talking about some real money!

It would be laughable, if it weren’t so depressing.


5 posted on 02/25/2009 8:08:57 PM PST by txnativegop (God Bless America! (NRA-Endowment))
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To: All

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ENOUGH of this insanity!!!!

This is the only way we will ever get the attention of our elected officiala and the masses- protest!

Freedomsfirst is planning a ‘million man’ march on Washington. HALF A MILLION have already signed up.

(Many of you have remarked that the march needs to be NOW, not in Sept. Please note what the founder of Freedomsfirst has to say about this under the ‘Dear Friends’ email second paragraph))

http://www.freedomsfirst.org/

Anti-Obama organizations are being united for a ‘million man’ march on Washington. The permit is secured

From ‘FreedomsMarch’:

PRESIDENT OBAMA, WE DEMAND THAT YOU BE TRANSPARENT NOW

We will come together in a peaceful rally. We are proud Americans who fear that we are losing the America we all know and love. The America where millions have served in our military sacrificing and giving their lives so that we remain free. A people who honor their flag and understand what it means to fly it and be so proud to do so. It is time for our voices to be heard loud and clear. Our government is for the people and by the people. Where is that now? We are PRO GOD, PRO LIFE, PRO GUN Americans who see our rights slipping away as we speak. It is time our voices are heard. It is time for us to shout loudly and strongly that we refuse to live under a socialist regime, where our voices are silenced. Lets take this action now before we awaken one morning and our freedoms are nothing more than a memory.

We ask you TO wear RED, WHITE AND BLUE CLOTHING... BRING YOUR FLAGS WAVE THEM HIGH... SIGNS WILL BE PROVIDED.. WE WANT TO GIVE THE GREATEST IMPRESSION OF WHO WE ARE AS WE WILL BE SEEN ALL OVER THE WORLD. UNITED AND PEACEFUL AND WITH CONTROL. WE WILL LEAVE THE GROUNDS AS CLEAN AS THEY WERE GIVEN TO US.

No food or beverage will be provided. You’re welcomed to bring your own.

Entertainment will be provided. We are setting up a wonderful assortment of guest speakers, political and non political,prominent people and many surprises. Major news networks, including CNN, MSNBC and Fox News. Resistnet.com will also attend. MUCH more to come .

Please make your reservations early as hotels and motels will fill quickly.

We are God,s Army. The soldiers of voice and heart that believe in AMERICA for one nation as it stands indivisible with liberty and justice for All. We marched with Dr Martin Luther King and placed our hands upon our hearts as we sang. We knew what was right, what was good and of God. We stand united and strong for we are Right and mighty and proud and in Dr. Martin Luther King,s words, “ WE SHALL OVERCOME.”

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Freedoms first has recently received permission to hold our protest in Washington DC. Our protest will now be held at the lincoln Memorial Reflections Pool in front of the Lincoln memorial ,on a date that will be released on feb 12 2009.

We find this very interesting because just two weeks earlier Washington told us we could no protest in DC for at least a year and a half . But the day the spendulus bill passes we get a call from Washington inviting us with a choice of dates and locations. Folks we take this as a sign that our country if starting to realise the mistake they have made with putting Obama in office.

We will have live speakers and other entertainment for you.

WE would like to see 1 million supporters attend this protest. It is time to take our country back and make our voices heard.

Why are we protesting ?

1. To get the attention of the mainstream media.

2. To demand That Obama Provide proof that he is eligible to be president.

3. To demand that Congress and the Supreme court uphold our constitution.

4. To inform the public on the issue of Obama’s ineligibility to be president of the USA.

5. To demand that they can not take our constitutional rights away.

6. To say no to abortions.

Please take the time to sign up so we have an idea of how many people we have attending and to get update emails so you know what to do , where to meet , where to park and what is happening so on and so forth.

Thank you for your attention and patriotism

Sign up here:
freedomsfirst@inbox.com

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Dear Friends,

We are moving forward on our rally in Washington D C. We are working non stop in
preparations for this historical event to be held at the Washington Monument on Sept. 12th
and 13th of this year.

Almost a half a million people have signed up thus far. As for the time, The million man march that took place a few years age took over 2 years to organize, we are trying to push this through as fast as we can. To protest in DC you have to have a permit and have approval to use a certain piece of land.
We called ahead of filing for these things. September 12&13 were the next available days they had.
The other org resistnet.com which was putting together a march for May 30 didn’t do this so they were refused their permit now they are joining with our group. So, we are doing this the absolutely as soon we can.

As you well know, there are Monumental costs for this Monumental event.

We understand that your pockets are not as full as they were last year at this time. There
is little left after we pay our bills that enable us to survive these barren times.

You know what is coming next, The begging part for you to look solely in your hearts for
what we feel may be the most profound and important outcry for real American patriots.

The plans are bigger than you could ever imagine and to successfully pull such a large
event off, we need your presence, we need your help, we need your prayers, we need your
assistance and sadly we must humble ourselves and ask for you to dig down in those almost
empty pockets to help us have a successful rally.

We must get our money into the bank so it can begin to build with interest, so that we can
begin to order for the event as we must pay deposits on anything that we need.

WE ARE HOPING THAT YOU WILL BE ABLE TO DONATE A MINIMUM OF $20.00 (anything more would be
greatly appreciated)

Some of our expenses are as follows.

1. Buses and shuttles will be provided to transport you from your hotels to the on site
rally.

2. Tents to provide shelter for our entertainers and guest speakers. First Aid Station
with an RN Nurse on duty along with an ambulance to be standing by for emergencies should
they arise. A tent for sale of T SHIRTS and assorted merchandise including Flags,(made in
America), hats and other memorabilia . What better way to remember this historical event.
A tent to store emergency water and other supplies should they be needed. A welcome tent
for you to pic up flyer’s with information of scheduled times for our speakers and
entertainment events and other important information including restaurants and areas of
interest, etc.

3. We are planning to have at least ONE THOUSAND porta potties.

4. Accounting fees and set up fees so we have full disclosure of where all donations go.

5. On hand funds to pay for those things we know we surely will forget and the need to be
able to pick them up quickly without worry of where we are going to get the money from .

6. Newspaper adds and notices about our march, and other publicity costs for this event.

7. Printing costs, signs, etc.

8. We must hire additional security other than the security provided by the park police.
We want this to be safe for you and your family .

WE NEED YOUR HELP SO WE CAN DO THIS. SO WE CAN BE PROUD OF HOW WE DID IT.. SO WE CAN
PRESENT THE VISUAL OF MILLIONS COMING TOGETHER.

WE WANT OUR AMERICA BACK. SADLY THESE DREAMS DO NOT COME EASILY OR FREELY.

WONT YOU HELP US PLEASE?????

WE WILL CONTINUE TO SEND UP UPDATES FOR EACH DAY WE HAVE NEW INFORMATION. WE ARE VERY
EXCITED THAT SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE CONTACTED US. THIS IS GROWING LARGER EVERY DAY.

FIRST AND FOREMOST AT THIS TIME, WE NEED TO GET A BASE OF FINANCES SO WE CAN GET STARTED
WITH RESERVATIONS AND PAY DEPOSITS FOR THOSE THINGS WE DESPERATELY NEED .

We also need YOU... physical YOU... we are asking for volunteers to work our tents and
commit to some important, needed jobs, facilitating and overseeing some of the most
important tasks , so this can be a successful rally.

It is always most uncomfortable to ask for financial help when we are in financial
disaster ourselves.

Understand please, we know there may be some of you who can NOT donate because of your
financial situations. WE WANT YOU TO STILL COME AND BE WITH US. WE NEED YOUR PRESENCE!!!!!

WE WILL BE UNITED, CHRISTIAN, JEW, BUDDHIST, HINDU, ATHEIST, BLACK, AND WHITE... WE WILL
BE ONE. ONE OF MANY WHO STAND AS PATRIOTIC AMERICANS DEMANDING OUR VOICES BE HEARD AND
DEMANDING THAT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA ABIDE BY THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF
AMERICA.

WE DEMAND THE TRANSPARENCY HE PROMISED !!!!!!!!

GOD BLESS US ON THIS RALLY, WITH YOUR PRAYERS, YOUR DEDICATION AND YOUR HELP, IT WILL BE
AN HISTORICAL, MAGICAL, WONDERFUL SHOW OF THE REAL AMERICA....

THANK YOU DEAR FRIENDS.

SINCERELY,

STEVE

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THANK YOU WITH OUR HEARTS FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND YOUR COMMITMENT FOR THIS GREAT
EVENT!!!!!!!!

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6 posted on 02/25/2009 8:11:48 PM PST by patriot08
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To: modhom
"Make sense to do this since Medicare is such a success story. Total Medicare spending reached $440 billion for fiscal year 2007, or 16% of all federal spending. Fewer than 5% of Medicare claims are audited. The annual cost to taxpayers of Medicare fraud is estimated to be over $60 billion."

Point 1. We are NEVER, EVER going to go back to a time when we don't insure our elderly. Deal with it.

Point 2. As long as we are "only" insuring the elderly, and not the healthy along with them to lower average costs per person, Medicare is going to break us.

Point 3. We are the ONLY industrialized nation in the world without a sane healthcare plan. Republicans didn't "care." Now, the democrats will.

Point 4. Screw the point four.

We had our chance to fix this mess and we blew it much to our everlasting shame. Now, let's see what we get stuck with.

7 posted on 02/25/2009 8:25:48 PM PST by Texas_shutterbug
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To: txnativegop

You have it all wrong. It won’t be a trillion here, a trillion there. We will have his Universal Health Plan, but you WILL NOT have access to care. Pure plain and simple. The masses might revolt when all their desire for unlimited access to doctors, hospitals, drugs, MRIs, etc. is DENIED. And no one will go into medicine, meaning less and less physicians and nurses. Of course, you will have the Messiah to heal you. Maybe he can open up cancer centers where he can just walk im, make a speech and everyone imagines they are healed.


8 posted on 02/25/2009 8:41:33 PM PST by Semperfiwife (Common sense is in short supply in Washington)
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To: Semperfiwife

The sheeple believe


9 posted on 02/25/2009 8:42:54 PM PST by txnativegop (God Bless America! (NRA-Endowment))
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To: Texas_shutterbug
Point 2. As long as we are "only" insuring the elderly, and not the healthy along with them to lower average costs per person, Medicare is going to break us.

I agree that Medicare is going to break us. Medicare is just another entitlement Ponzi scheme. Many elderly currently in Medicare paid little in Medicare payroll taxes. Excess Medicare payroll taxes were spent on other government programs. There is an outrageous amount of waste and fraud in Medicare. Congress attempts to control Medicare costs by imposing price controls on providers. Everytime this happens, providers scream and Congress backs off somewhat. Medicare has Draconian penalties for perceived non compliance by providers. It is amazing that you would want to impose the Medicare mess on the entire society.

Your second point is a non sequitar. I have no doubt that single payer health care (Medicare for everyone) is coming. It may not start out that way, but it will end as single payer health care. Single payer health is an elaborate scheme of price controls and rationing. Price controls have lead to shortages in place they have been used.

The elderly should fear single payer health care. Rationing will hit the elderly very hard. The elderly can forget about all of the end of life care thrown at them now. They will go to the back of the line.

The only way to survive the coming shortages in health care is to find another country without socialized medicine. China, India, and Mexico (if the violence ever subsides) might be good options if you have cash.

10 posted on 02/25/2009 8:44:51 PM PST by businessprofessor
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To: Semperfiwife

that is the best synapsis of socialized medicine i have ever seen.

let the obamamessiah heal the lepers!


11 posted on 02/25/2009 8:45:43 PM PST by trying17 (AKA DrGop0821)
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To: trying17

this entire Presidency has been a big pile of dung; why should this be any different?


12 posted on 02/25/2009 9:08:57 PM PST by DrGop0821
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To: businessprofessor
"The only way to survive the coming shortages in health care is to find another country without socialized medicine. China, India, and Mexico (if the violence ever subsides) might be good options if you have cash."

You know, we have conservative posters on this site who are very happy with their own country's healthcare services. They have to be a lot better than China, India, and Mexico!

And it's already rationed. We paid healthcare through our employers for THIRTY years. My husband's job is getting ready to be outsourced and we'll soon be without healthcare. Sure, we can scrape together the money for COBA, but not many can. After that, a recently discovered health condition will keep me from getting insurance. That sucks. Pay for thirty years, and when you need it - it's gone. This is insanity.

It's absolute insanity to force cancer patients to continue working while undergoing chemotherapy. I've watched folks do that, and it's awful (for some of them). Again, the definition of insanity.

We have insurance companies demanding that women who just had double masectomies go home the same day after surgery, while women in other countries are treated in hospital.

Sure, we're the best at some things. And if you have a job. If you have insurance at your job. Or if you're independently wealthy you might just be able to take advantage of them.

Healthcare is the Republican's boogeyman. We're used it to scare folks, but it's not working anymore. The fact is that most people here are NOT happy with our healthcare situation, while most folks in countries like France, New Zealand, and - yeah - even, Canada, are quite happy with theirs.

13 posted on 02/25/2009 9:09:29 PM PST by Texas_shutterbug
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To: Texas_shutterbug
The fact is that most people here are NOT happy with our healthcare situation, while most folks in countries like France, New Zealand, and - yeah - even, Canada, are quite happy with theirs.

You are incorrect in your assertion that most people are dissatisfied with their health care here. Most people are very satisfied. I admit that many have anxiety about maintaining employer based coverage especially now. The health care here is generally outstanding.

I agree that most people in other countries are somewhat satisfied with their health care. They are generally satisfied until they need to make extensive usage of the health care system. The elderly especially have many complaints about the lack of access to treatment and waiting times.

You know, we have conservative posters on this site who are very happy with their own country's healthcare services. They have to be a lot better than China, India, and Mexico!

My comment related to the future of single payer health care. I agree that most are very satisfied with the quality of health care here. Americans seeking health care abroad today are looking to save money not find higher quality health care.

You seem to think there is a free lunch in the health care debate. I acknowledge that a single payer system will relieve anxiety about health care affordability. However, the means (price controls and rationing) to achieve this goal will lead to shortages in health care services.

Conservatives are not in favor of the current employer subsidized health care system. Conservatives want individuals to make more health care decisions. Conservatives want to reduce the role of third party payment. Tying health insurance to employment is a bad idea.

The current employer based system does not involve price controls and rationing. Only the government can impose price controls and rationing. Insurance companies sign contracts with employers to manage health care. The contracts have detailed stipulations about services provided, reimbursement rates, available providers, and so on. Do not confuse contracts with government price controls and rationing. No one forces a company to sign a contract with a health insurance company. In a single payer system, the government will impose price controls and rationing. Any provider who does not abide by the price controls will be committing a criminal offense. If you do not believe this assertion, you should examine the penalties for non compliance under Medicare and Medicaid.

14 posted on 02/25/2009 9:57:19 PM PST by businessprofessor
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To: Texas_shutterbug

Please name for me one single case of an American who has willingly gone to another country for medical care. I can find a hundred examples of famous foreigners who chose to come here for their care. The fact is everyone, the world over, complains about their system of health care delivery.

The problem with our system is 3rd party payers. The folks who are receiving the care aren’t the ones paying for it.

Milton Friedman illustrates the problem well when he points out that:
There are four ways in which you can spend money. You can spend your own money on yourself. When you do that, why then you really watch out what you’re doing, and you try to get the most for your money. Then you can spend your own money on somebody else. For example, I buy a birthday present for someone. Well, then I’m not so careful about the content of the present, but I’m very careful about the cost. Then, I can spend somebody else’s money on myself. And if I spend somebody else’s money on myself, then I’m sure going to have a good lunch! Finally, I can spend somebody else’s money on somebody else. And if I spend somebody else’s money on somebody else, I’m not concerned about how much it is, and I’m not concerned about what I get. And that’s government. And that’s close to 40% of our national income.

He also addressed health care specifically here...
http://www.hoover.org/publications/digest/3459466.html


15 posted on 02/25/2009 10:07:06 PM PST by modhom
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To: trying17
OK.. correct me if I'm wrong, hasn't OBOZO already slated to use the $$$ from “BUSH” tax cuts on reducing the deficit by half?!?! Ohhh wait.. OBOZO stated that he was going to use it to pay for other “social” programs. Nooo that can't be right.. members of his staff have been heard to say they were going to use it to help offset the costs of additional troops in Afghanistan!! Ok.. if anyone can tell say where this money is really going, please let us now..
16 posted on 02/25/2009 11:34:50 PM PST by strykr
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To: txnativegop; All
The sheeple believe

Yep...


17 posted on 02/26/2009 3:36:46 AM PST by backhoe (All across America, the Lights are going out...)
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To: long hard slogger; FormerACLUmember; Harrius Magnus; hocndoc; parousia; Hydroshock; skippermd; ...
Socialized Medicine aka Universal Health Care PING LIST

FReepmail me if you want to be added to or removed from this ping list.


18 posted on 02/26/2009 6:35:12 AM PST by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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