Posted on 02/23/2009 9:53:37 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
Wonderful! Excellent!
The 10th Amendment brought to life and given force and presence in the grand political debates of the day.
We need a lot more of it...
The founders envisioned a part time legislative model, certainly not the imperial Congress we have today. In addition, they envisioned the real strength to lie with the States, unlike today. And, they expected the people to take responsibility for their own lives, unlike today.
Is it required that the governor sign this?
bkmrk
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What happened in 1832 is not relevant to today. Really, I wish you folks would drop the allusions to the Civil War. That was then, this is now. Even if we chose to disassociate ourselves from the federal government, the reactions will not be the same and the outcome will not be.
For the sake of argument, lets say that the reactions are the same... How is liberty and freedom not worth it? How does “peace” trump the struggle for freedom?
Meh...
Whats going to happen is going to happen. Either we are going peacefully into the gulag or we are going to risk war in an attempt to be free again. I know what my choice is...
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“One person introducing a resolution that will be crushed in the legislature is hardly a civil war.”
It was four people out of a house of nearly 400. The Democrat dominated committee reported the bill as “Inexpedient to Legislate.”
It’s getting some good press, but no further action is pending at this time.
Actually, there are four sponsors to this legislation.
I, for one, am impressed anyone would propose such a resolution. Bring back Constitutionalism!
I read the quotes on your homepage.
I found the Churchill quote especially interesting because it reminded me of this:
Considering how many Taxachusetts people have infiltrated the Granite State over the last two decades, I have to say..... I am stuned. (But pleasantly so)
Southerners still pining for the “glory” days seccessionism feel a thrill going up their legs.
Any serious talk about revolution begins with states rights. States rights should be part of the Republican platform.
Yeah, since I have Union soldiers burried in my backyard family cemetary, I think your “Southern theory” is right out the window.
It wasn’t an all inclusive “southerners,” but where the shoe fits....
And if the chains fit, I suppose you should wear those too...
I wish more people would study the history of the last Civil War before they go about promoting the next one. The Civil War was the second of America’s great steps away from being a Free Republic - 1830, 1917, 1933 and 2009 being the others.
After the Civil War the country was never as free as it was before. Neither the states nor the people ever got all of the rights that they surrendered to the federal government during the war back. Corporate power increased greatly and the culture of corruption that evolved out of military procurement during the war paved the way for the age of the trusts. The effects of the war continued to divide our country along regional lines well into the 1970s.
The problem is that most wars don’t end in final victory but simmer along for years as bloody stalemates. Think in terms of The Irish Troubles (which lasted over 300 years, assuming they are really over) or the Mexican Caste Wars (1847 to 1901 with a flare up in 1993).
Wars also rarely resolve the problems that they are started to resolve. See the history of the War of 1812 and the present conflict in Iraq.
I’m all for reforming and disempowering the federal government but we need to exhaust all legal and peaceable means before we go talking about “firing the first shot” (what would have happened if the Confederates had not fired on Fort Sumter?) A civil war could last decades and leave our country unrecognizable and even less free than it is today.
So.
There is a point of no return that causes these things to happen.
What do you suppose will knock that first domino over.
Just curious if you had a thought.
thax ken
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Lots of supposedly good ‘resolutions’ get introduced in both the legislatures of the states and the federal congress. However getting them even a hearing much less a chance at adoption often is fruitless. I suspect something of this nature even as well intended as it is will meet the fruitless end. just my comments....
If I understand your question correctly, submitting a resolution in a state legislature is not tantamount to firing the first shot. Firing the first shot is tantamount to firing the first shot. If at all possible, they should have to fire the first shot. If I count correctly, over the past 200 years history is about 65/35% in favor of the party or country that didn’t fire the first shot.
There are unfortunately a lot of ways the first domino could fall. I can think of any number of scenarios, from an attempt to shut down a reloader’s cooperative after ammo serialization or busting an unauthorized gun show after a ban on private sales, to an attempt to disarm the Rio Grande Valley in order to keep guns from flowing to the narcotraficantes in Mexico. Never underestimate the Lefts capacity for overbearing stupidity.
The important thing is, we are still several steps away from any tipping point.
In the meantime we should prepare for hard times, study history, economics, game theory and hog butchering. Organize politically and protest peacefully - use the Left’s own non-violent tactics against them. If we are successful, as we were in the last push for illegal alien amnesty we may not reach a tipping point. If we do, we’ll have what we need in place.
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