Posted on 02/10/2009 6:27:56 PM PST by nysuperdoodle
Overturn Wickard v Filburn!
If only they had the votes!
<<If Only.
“The Constitution is the contract which forms the basis of the Union.”
Pleas quote/cut and paste the appropriate section in the Constitution that supports that assertion.
I don’t believe you are correct. I believe the Union predates the Constitution and is not dependent on the Constitution for its existence.
As for other parts of your post: at least you are beginning to make a case that the problem is with other States and not the Federal Government, which is only an agent of the States.
Couldn't determine if there is much new here except the article states the resolution was submitted/resubmitted yesterday...
Just in case nobody has noticed, you'll be hard pressed to find anything about these resolutions/bills ANYWHERE in the dino media. Must not be important???
Also, I've added a few more names to the ping list. If you want off just say so.
Thanks for the ping. I’m happy that Arizona has jumped on this. Too bad it is not being covered by the “media.”
Texas Governor Rick Perry’s new website ...
http://www.nogovernmentbailouts.com/
Oh , it’s important.
Thanks for adding me.
Either we’re 50 counties or 50 States.
Kinda wonder.
Indeed. I find myself grinning a little when I think about these states making noises about reaffirming their duties and rights under the Constitution. We certainly need to support and encourage them all we can. Without support from conservatives they might become inclined to believe there's not really anybody behind them.
Patrick Henry had a similar observation; his thoughts were without a Bill of Rights the several states would become nothing more than bureaucratic districts for the federales.
I appreciate the reality checks, but IMHO we should be doing all we can to help the process along. For example, have you talked to any of the sponsors of this resolution to offer your support or encouraged others to do the same??? Just askin’.
I never said that the secession should be performed by a small segment of the union =P And really, I’d be fine keeping the union as is and replacing its government.
Lots of pain now, prosperity forever (or at least until people forget, again).
I’m in. I’ll start drafting letters to my state reps on Thursday and mail them out on Friday morning.
Get the word OUT!
The Constitution is an agreement between the states creating a federal government and stating the rights and obligations of the states and the people with respect to each other and the federal government. The parties to the Constitution are the states. It is signed by the authorized representatives of the states, although there was some coercion of a couple of them, as I recall.
Whatever the relationship of the states was before the Constitution was clearly superceded by the Constitution.
When a party to an agreement fails to honor the obligations of that agreement, the other party or parties have the right to declare the agreement in breach and pursue the appropriate remedy. In a normal contract, that remedy is to sue for damages, or for specific performance. In the context of an agreement between sovereign states to form a confederacy and create a vehicle through which they can conduct a common defense, create a currency and regulate interstate commerce, when the compact is utterly breached, there is no longer an obligation to remain part of that confederacy.
When you form a partnership, and the partnership's rules are not followed, you can sue to dissolve the partnership. We can't do that with our national partnership, but we have the moral right to accomplish the same end result.
If we approach this with the mindset that we are the ones who want to follow the Constitution, and we have been forced to withdraw from the Federal government's jurisdiction by its refusal to follow the rules, we can maintain the legal, moral and political righteousness of our cause, and that will serve us well. It will be harder for opponents when we say that all we want to do is restore the Constitution. Their efforts to prevent that would be an exercise of raw power, not of legal right.
Lincoln won the election, and was following the rules, and the south didn't want to accept that. We lost this election, but we don't get to leave every time we lose an argument. We need to be clear that we must leave because the Constitution does not allow socialism, does not allow Federal intrusion into matters that are not enumerated, does not allow interference with the 2nd Amendment, does not permit the destruction of religious belief, does not require criminals to be set free or prevent them from being executed by hanging, and certainly does not permit 5 justices to amend it by fiat due to evolving standards of civility.
Frankly, it could have been done a long time ago, but there was always the hope that FDR's and LBJ's impositions on the Constitution could be reversed over time. Reagan gave us hope. Obama represents an indication that the hope of following the Constitution is slowly dying, unless we take matters into our own hands in places where people still care. The tipping point has been reached, and every day from here on out, we will grow weaker and fewer. We either begin to push back soon, or never.
I’ll be more impressed when it passes. I doubt it will.
This makes sense.
Yes it does.
No. Historically pretty conservative by absolute standards, and especially so for New England, they've been invaded by voters who are smart enough to realize Massholechusetts is fscked up but not smart enough to realize they're the ones that did it. So the NH legislature is now Democrat, as well as the Governor and the state SC.
Now, something similar is being done here in AZ, where it would stand an excellent chance of passage, especially with a new Republican governator replacing Her Manhood, Janet Napolitano, except that I believe ours is just a resolution, rather than an actual bill, and has no legal force.
the resolution being prepared
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a resolution has no legal teeth and it still being in the prep stage, places it a long way from the voted stage.
But, something small and tiny CAN turn into a big thing.
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