Posted on 01/24/2009 5:16:31 AM PST by Man50D
February 5, 2009 at 8:15pm – Your house
Ohio Monthly Conference Call. The call in number is 1-218-486-8700 access code is 163016. Note the number listed on the event is my cell number in case you have a question it is not the call in num...
Organized by Dave Sibole | Type: Conference, Call
February 7, 2009 at 12pm – RaceWorldUSA,
Bike with us or meet us in Cornelius, NC (north of Charlotte). Learn about the goals of GFR, enjoy FairTax camaraderie and the roar of bikes as we "Make Some Noise for FairTax visibility and educat...
Organized by Carol Adams McLean | Type: Fund, raiser, bike, rally, miscellaneous
February 10, 2009 from 7pm to 8:30pm – Golden Corral Monthly FairTax for North Carolina Seventh District. Everyone is invited to attend. If you would like to eat, it will be a pay as you go.
Organized by Scott Manning | Type: Monthly, Meeting
February 13, 2009 at 10am to February 15, 2009 at 6pm – Orange County Convention Center We're looking for energetic Orlando area volunteers (or out of towners if you're going to be in the Orlando area at that time!) to help us man this booth during the three days. You don't have to wo...
Organized by Walt Bagley, Brenda Janssen, Mark Manieri | Type: Trade, Show
February 19, 2009 at 7pm – Southwest Cary, NC I have 15 minutes of the annual precinct meeting in Southwest Cary NC to talk about the FairTax. Anyone may attend the meeting, but you must be a resident of one of the afftected precincts to vote ...
Organized by Michael Patton | Type: Annual, Precinct, Meeting
February 26, 2009 at 9am – Washington DC CPAC Convention
Organized by Jim Tomasik | Type: Conservative, Political, Action, Committee
Isn’t the Fair Tax a scheme to keep feeding the federal monster in a more efficient manner. Not an expert on this tax so I may be mistaken, but don’t proponents brag that it will take just as much money from Americans as current rapacious system. Why would we want a tax that will continue to allow the federal government to operate at its current unconstitutional level? A level a government that is causing the economy to collapse.
There was a time when conservatives fought to cut back government. Now conservatives dream up clever schemes to nurture the monster. Our problem isn’t liberals (who are just no damn good). Our problem is that today’s “conservatives” are to the left of yesterday’s liberals.
I get to choose how often I will be taxed. Sure, if I don’t want to spend MY money the way I choose on things that I want, then I won’t be tax. This is freedom?! You brag about this?
This scheme under the Orwellian banner of “Fair Tax” allows the federal monster to continue it’s inexorable growth. Take an ax to this behemoth, reducing it to its CONSTITUTIONAL size and it won’t much matter what tax system we use. Until we address this nothing will change.
You may wish to consider that some people see how this will indeed encourage lower taxes and lower spending. Then again, you may not.
However, those of us who support the nrst do see how it will end up minimizing the tax/spend problem.
Generally, the problem of reducing spending is complicated by a system that makes it nearly impossible to do. Again, generally... separating the method of collection to a system that encourages lower spending and lower taxes FIRST [instead of making it virtually impossible] eliminates that problem.
We’re all for less spending/lower taxation. But we see the method of collection as preventing it.
I support you in this effort 100%! However, to make a point, I have been supporting this for 40 years. Our tax system makes it impossible. How many more decades will we clamor for lower spending while it doesn't happen?
The tax system we use does indeed matter. Our current system encourages spending. Why is anyone surprised when spending increases without bound?
Our current system makes reducing spending nearly impossible. Why is anyone surprised that spending never reduces? Indeed, in a budget crisis never before seen, our gov't chooses to massively increase spending!!?? They have no reason not to do it.
Under the nrst, we believe that this fundamental will change.
I love the anonymity of it when you pay cash. Reading about the Fair Tax, it sounds like my spending will be tracked so I don't exceed a certain tax rate. I really, really hate that part of it.
These days I keep toying with the idea of something along the lines of NRST, only on a state level, instead. The federal government would only get money by fees levied on states in proportion to their number of electors. No doubt unworkable, but I think we have currently cut the states too much out of the equation.
Welcome to FR JS...
there are a handful of states that are looking into changing tax structure to that of sales taxes following the nrst model. IIRC Michigan, Georgia, and maybe a few more are in the early stages of analyzing what this would do to revenues.
Interestingly, sales taxes are more stable than income taxes.
some facts that even the Sheeple should be able to grasp:
The next time you hear a politician use the word ‘billion’ in a casual manner, think about whether you want the ‘politicians’ spending
YOUR tax money.
A billion is a difficult number to comprehend, but one advertising agency did a good job of putting that figure into some perspective in one of it’s releases.
A. A billion seconds ago it was 1959.
B. A billion minutes ago Jesus was alive.
C. A billion hours ago our ancestors were living in the Stone Age.
D. A billion days ago no-one walked on the earth on two feet.
E. A billion dollars ago was only
8 hours and 20 minutes, at the rate our government is spending it.
While this thought is still fresh in our brain...
let’s take a look at New Orleans ...
It’s amazing what you can learn with some simple division.
Louisiana Senator, Mary Landrieu (D) asked Congress for 250 BILLION DOLLARS to rebuild New Orleans . Interesting number...what does it mean?
A. Well... if you are one of the 484,674 residents of New Orleans
(every man, woman, and child)
you each get $516,528.
B. Or... if you have one of the 188,251 homes in New Orleans , your home gets $1,329,787.
C. Or... if you are a family of four,
your family gets $2,066,012.
Washington, D. C.
HELLO!
Are all your calculators broken??
Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
CDL License Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Dog License Tax
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel Permit Tax
Gasoline Tax
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax
Inventory Tax
IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax)
IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Luxury Tax
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Service charge taxes
Social Security Tax
Road Usage Tax (Truckers)
Sales Taxes
Recreational Vehicle Tax
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone Federal Excise Tax
Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax
Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Tax
Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax
Telephone Recurring and Non-recurring Charges Tax Telephone State and Local Tax
Telephone Usage Charge Tax
Utility Tax
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax
STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY?
Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago...and our nation was the most prosperous in the world.
We had absolutely no national debt... we had the largest middle class in the world... and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.
What happened?
Can you spell ‘politicians!’
And..We still have to
press “1” for English.
I hope this goes around the
USA at least a billion times!!!
IT CAN - all ya gotta do is EMAIL THIS TO EVERYONE IN YOUR ‘ADDRESS BOOK’ AND ASK THEM TO DO THE SAME -
it could reach millions in one day (math is absolute) - and in a week?
and add this link to FAIR TAX.
http://www.geocities.com/cmcofer/ftax.html?200727
The FAIR TAX, which would dump the IRS (the gestapo arm of the gov’t) - cutting off the power to intimidate/blackmail. A solely, individually controlled Consumer Tax - leaving more money in our pockets, NO “April 15th”, no accounting for how much money we make nor where we make it nor higher taxes on it...
The FAIR TAX may be the ONLY weapon we have left to save the Constitution and our FREEDOMS...and cut off the control from the top. Washington would have just as much money to spend, but real accountability and without control over us as individuals. They would be relagated back to “representatives” not rulers.
To get the FAIR TAX passed, we can’t rely on the DC critters - they won’t let go of their power and perks willingly - we have to help with the ground swell that is building and DEMAND it.
COPY-PASTE-MAIL.....NOW. The ONE and his minions have been waiting for the control they now have and they are moving with lightening speed - nothing short of a coup - to implement their Socialist Grip - from which we will not get free for decades...unless we block them NOW.
COPY-PASTE-MAIL.....NOW...NOW!
NOW.........................
So you would prefer the Gov’t continues to decide how much tax we will pay, individually; continues to have access to how much money we have and where we get it from, continues to have the ability to RULE, INTIMIDATE & BLACKMAIL us through their Gestapo arm of gov’t - the IRS?
Are you just unfamiliar with what the FAIR TAX would actually do = bring back FREEDOM as spelled out in the Constitution;
or -
employed in some way that depends on keeping the IRS - like preparing taxes, a lawyer, work for the IRS, a politician who enjoys power over the people, or?
This scheme under the Orwellian banner of “Fair Tax” allows the federal monster to continue it’s inexorable growth. Take an ax to this behemoth, reducing it to its CONSTITUTIONAL size and it won’t much matter what tax system we use. Until we address this nothing will change.
You posts would seem to indicate that you either haven't thoroughly read and understood the FAIR TAX bill or your ox will be gored by it - i.e., you have a vested interest in keeping the IRS...with it's Gestapo powers to Rule and Intimidate...
Read post #11 with "comprehension glasses."
- i.e., you have a vested interest in keeping the IRS...with it’s Gestapo powers to Rule and Intimidate...
You found me out. That’s it! From what I’ve posted on this thread I am obviously a big fan of oppressive state power. Up with the Gestapo. Sieg Heil!! Geeez. Yeah, I have a vested interest in the IRS. I am the majority stockholder. Ya-ha-ha(my approximation of an evil laugh).
You found me out. That’s it! From what I’ve posted on this thread I am obviously a big fan of oppressive state power. Up with the Gestapo. Sieg Heil!! Geeez. Yeah, I have a vested interest in the IRS. I am the majority stockholder. Ya-ha-ha(my approximation of an evil laugh).Welcome to FairTax threads. They're the threads reality forgot. Discussing the FairTax on FR is like arguing with the guys who protest outside post offices on April 15... wait... it is arguing with the guys who protest outside post offices on April 15.
Not one of those taxes you listed, with the exception of federal income taxes would be eliminated by the Fairtax and most would be taxed again 30% by the Fairtax.
Not one of those taxes you listed, with the exception of federal income taxes would be eliminated by the Fairtax and most would be taxed again 30% by the Fairtax.
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