Posted on 01/06/2009 11:52:38 AM PST by Kevmo
1. I am Sandra Ramsey Lines, With an adddres at... I am a former federal examiner and law enforcement officer. I began training as a forensic document examiner in 1991. I am a Certified Diplomat of Forensic Sciences, a member of the American Society of Questioned Document Examiners, a member of the Southwestern Association of Forensic Document Examiners, and a member of the Questioned Document Subcommittee of the American Society of Testing and Materials. My background and credentials are set forth in Exhibit I attached hereto.
2. I have reviewed the attached affidavit posted on the internet from “Ron Polarik,” [PDF] who has declined to provide his name because of a number of death threats he has received. After my review and based on my years of experience, I can state with certainty that the COLB presented on the internet by the various groups, which include the “Daily Kos,” the Obama Campaign, “Factcheck.org” and others cannot be relied upon as genuine. Mr. Polarik raises issues concerning the COLB that I can affirm. Software such as Adobe Photoshop can produce complete images or alter images that appear to be genuine; therefore, any image offered on the internet cannot be relied upon as being a copy of the authentic document.
3. Upon a cursory inspection of the internet COLB, one aspect of the image that is clearly questionable is the obliteration of the Certificate No. That number is a tracking number that would allow anyone to ask the question, “Does this number refer to the Certification of Live Birth for the child Barack Hussein Obama II?” It would not reveal any further personal information; therefore, there would be no justifiable reason for oliterating it.
4. In my experience as a forensic document examiner, if an original of any document exists, that is the document that must be examined to obtain a definitive finding of genuineness or non-genuineness. In this case, examination of the vault birth certificate for President-Elect Obama would lay this issue to rest once and for all.
SANDRA RAMSEY LINES Forensic Document Examiner ........ Paradise Valley, Arizona 85253
SRLines@cox.net
Former Federal Examiner Retired Law Enforcement Officer
* Identification of handwriting, hand printing, signatures, typewriting, photocopying, and printing processes
* Examination of paper, inks, stamps, seals, and other documentary evidence to determine identity, source, authenticity, and possible date
* Forensic analysis of business and medical records to determine whether there are alterations, additions, deletions, erasures, substitutions, and/or if the records were manufactured in a normal course-of-business manner
* Distinguishing forgery from genuineness
* Restoration or decipherment of erased, obliterated or hidden writing
* Expert testimony in state and federal courts, and regulatory hearings
Certified Diplomate, American Board of Forensic Document Examiners Fellow, American Academy of Forensic Sciences Member, American Society of Questioned Document Examiners Member, Southwestern Association of Forensic Document Examiners Member, American Society of Testing and Materials, Forensic Sciences Committee, and Questioned Document Subcommittee
Yes, there are so many...it mind boggling. I don’t think it’s good for conservatism to be associated with this...probably why Congress will not address it.
There is a copy already showing he was born in Hawaii? What more do we need to know?
Hawaii has a document they send out for birth certificate requests-...I don’t know if it’s long or short. But it’s all you will ever get.
As I stated before, she is 86 years old-probably confusing it with Dad...or maybe whoever reported this is lying. She does not speak English you know.
I have seen no facts presented by you or anyone proving Obama was born in Kenya.
I don’t understand why you are posting these statements as though they are fact, when they are not. If you think these are fact, can you please cite the sources, links and exact quotes.
TIA.
What are you talking about?
If he’s unaware, it’s because he wants to be so. He hangs on these threads and either (a) doesn’t read anything or (b) has some other agenda than wanting to know the truth.
That fact alone, OF ITSELF, suggests that Obama was born in Kenya. Thus your statement that there are absolutely no facts to support a Kenyan birth of Obama is a false claim.
The Maya Soetoro Ng C.O.L.B. is a rumor which was started by techdude who said her C.O.L.B. was used to generate the C.O.L.B. posted at kos, FighttheSmears, and FactCheck. This was later debunked and I do not know if Maya actually has a C.O.L.B. issued by the state of Hawaii.
It is interesting that this situation is still not resolved.
Let us hope and pray that truth finally becomes the gold standard.
>>>I see no reason to believe this posted birth certificate is fake...I have seen no convincing evidence-just people who want it to be true.<<<<
Your commments on this thread prove that you have no interest in the truth, you are here solely to repeat misinformation and lies over and over again.
Show me a ‘truth’, and I will be very interested. I just don’t see any ‘truth’ or convincing facts.
All we have is speculation...because there are no facts that support Obama was born in Kenya.
Also, Unless I give you link...what I say is my opinion forged by reading everything online I can find. If you google birth certificate Obama, there is tons of stuff, but no smoking gun. There is no reason to believe Obama was born in Kenya. As for Polarik (don’t know if I spelled his name correctly), he does not seem to me to be trustworthy...Berg certainly is not.
You are making assertions of “truth” that have been debunked as false.
You ignore that and then repeat the same things over and over again. I asked you for some sources, quotes and links for some of your assertions and you refuse to do so.
One more thing, and then I am not going to waste my valuable time by responding to your meaningless repetitions of verbiage.
No one here is saying “I know the truth about 0bama that he was born in Canada/Hawaii/Kenya/elsewhere” or “I know for a fact that he is a Kenyan/British/Indonesian/US citizen” (except 0bama himself said he was born a dual or triple Kenyan/UK/US citizen, which may or may not be completely accurate).
What people here are saying, simply put, is this:
0bama himself has hidden/sealed/scrubbed practically every artifact and record of his entire life, and posted a forgery on several websites as “proof” that he was born in HI. Even if the COLB was NOT a forgery, it STILL would not prove that he was born in HI. These are facts.
What people want here is the truth - nothing more, nothing less - and 0bama is the one who can supply it. Is he eligible or not. Simple.
No one here is saying “I know the truth”. What people here are saying is “there are many suspicions - strong suspicions (and providing much evidence) that 0bama is lying.”
I can’t believe that you are saying Polarik (courtesy ping) is not “trustworthy”. How about his analysis? Where is your point by point refutation of that?
That’s it. You are clearly here to disrupt and I’m finished with even attmpeting to communicate with you.
I don’t have to ‘prove’ anything by the way. It would be impossible for me to ‘prove’ that Obama was born in Hawaii...the state has his birth certificate. I don’t believe everyone is in on some pro-Obama conspiracy in Hawaii. It is also impossible to prove Obama was born in Kenya. In fact there is less evidence to support this than support that he was born in Hawaii. This is all speculation. I find it interesting...but I don’t believe anything will come of it.
I mean no harm. Think about it. I’m not trying to convince you I am correct...I’m waiting for you to convince me you are correct. Show me some evidence-not even proof-just some evidence.
Why should I try to refute an argument from a guy that is probably a fraud? What is his argument exactly?
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