[[“Where? I must have missed those submissions? Perhaps you can just briefly recap those claims- then I’ll better be able to address this question?”]]
As I said earlier, there are indeed miracles today, however, they are of a nature that might also be dismissed as ‘naturally occuring’ even though the scientist has no answer for how it could happen- whereas Christ’s miracles were TRUE undeniable miracles meant ot be observed so that they couldn’t be denied, and it couldn’t be denied that He was the Christ. Today’s miracles are not on the same level as the true miracles Christ performed- perhaps True is the wrong word- Christ’s miracles were indeed true miracles, but today, we ascribe miracles to far too many instances- Perhaps ‘undeniable’ woudl be a better term. Miracles today I guess fall into the ‘could be’ category I guess- (But again we DO have a lot of charlatan ‘miracle workers’ claiming miracles that are nothign but scams- which is why I sued the word ‘TRUE’ prteviously). Whiel some miracles today can be denied- they can’t be either proven or disproven really (althoguh this will change right before end times)- they can however be studied and reasonable conclusions can be drawn
You said [[It’s been submitted that the “Evos” aren’t being “objective” because they don’t accept particular events]]
I would have to agree with htis- IF a scientist simply dismisses a ‘miracle’ out of hand, and claims, without any proof, that it must have had natural causes, then Yes, they are being subjective- and not objective- There are however many doctors and scientists I imagine who do take an objective stand onm tthe issue, and simply state, I don’t know.
you then asked how it could be measured? Objectively and statistically- could htere be strict controls put in place while studying? Sure. Could you come to an absolute conclusion one way or hte other when the tests were completed? No- I don’t think so, however, you could come to reasonable conclusions- which brings us back to the difference between the miracles of hte bible and the ones now in the church age-
Let me ask you this- IF you saw the kinds of miracles Christ performed, woudl you stil lthen doubt and state that we ‘couldn’t measure them;’ that they couldn’t be true miracles? I mean, it could be I suppose, that the blind had temporary conditions, and Christ knew the time when they would regain their sight, and also knew that a positive force and encouragement in hteir lives might facilitate more rapid healing, right?
Well, let’s just settle this like we used to.
Let’s go up to a mountaintop, probably Mount Carmel is inconvenient to the participants, so let’s just choose Mt. Lassen in California.
The evolutionists can build an altar on top and put a marsupial on a bed of wood. The creationists can have a better barbecue by bringing an oxen.
Then demand a miracle. It happened once before, and if you had live television there today, that would be awesome if the oxen got the barbecue strike from heaven.
It might even settle these threads.
That's a fairly big if.