Posted on 01/04/2009 5:39:47 AM PST by PurpleMountains
All across the country, archeologists, paleontologists and biologists are taking part in what is perhaps the greatest example of political correctness in history – their adherence to Darwinism and their attempts to ostracize any scientist who does not agree with them. In doing so, they are not only ignoring the vast buildup of recent scientific discoveries that seriously undermines the basics of Darwinism, but they are also participating, due to politically correctness, in a belief system that indirectly resulted in the deaths of millions of people – those slaughtered by the Stalins, the Hitlers, the Maos, the Pol Pots and others who took their cue from Darwinism’s tenets.
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One doesn’t follow from the other.
I share over 99% of the same genetics as Jerry Rice, that doesn’t mean I could have caught 99% of the balls he caught in NFL games, more like less than 1%.
Well, that's you. But the top pro chimp CFL wide-receiver should be able to catch 96% of the balls Rice caught, if chimps and humans are so similar, as you say they are.
LOL. No, it wouldn't. Evos/atheists would just figure we knew there was a thunderstorm in the area.
People who don't want to be convinced won't be even if someone rises from the dead.
Then you cannot definitively state that humans ARE apes. You could state that they appear to be apes, or that they appear to be related to apes, but you cannot make any statement of fact as if it were true, written in stone, settled science.
The classification of species into taxonomic groups is a man-made construct. Someone had to decide that man was an ape to put us there. That was a human decision, not at all binding (for lack of a better word) or authoritative.
So if you want to consider that you are an ape, by all means, you are free to do so, but don't go including the rest of us.
Jeepers tacticalogic, it's already happening! I'm sure you must have heard of Hamas/Hisbollah/Iran???
Darwin was being metaphorical, as indicated by the phrase: “may be said to be striving.”
Mayr was being literal when he said, “almost all of them perish or fail to reproduce,” and he was correct.
That's a fairly big if.
“When one of the foremost microbiologists in this country suggests something, you’d think people would at least give it a fair hearing.”
Unless he is talking about evolution then he is automatically wrong. Is it really too much to expect you to be consistent?
Of course I have. Somehow it didn't occur to me that they constitute "everyone", or that there's anything remotely objective about the reasons they want to kill the Jews.
[[IF you saw the kinds of miracles Christ performed...]]
[[That’s a fairly big if.]]
Not really- a great many people saw them, most believed as a result, but many hardened their hearts still, and would not acknowledge He was the Messiah
[[The point is that a record, in fact several different types of records, including tree-rings, varves, ice-cores, and other methods, all point back systematically to a virtually unending time-span.]]
Not without a lot of fudging up to about 6000 years- beyond that it gets into a lot more fudging and throwing out dates that don’t fit the a priori belief- I’ve all sorts of links showing the problems with these methods if ya like?
Ice Cores
Varves
At best- the two methods above are only accurate to about 11,000 years due to numerous conditions and environmental uncertainties
Pollens
Corals
Highly unreliable- you’d need constant temps to maintaIN reliable growth pattersn http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v14/i1/coral_reef.asp
Fission-track Dating
http://www.ao.jpn.org/kuroshio/86criticism.html
Stratigraphy
http://geoinfo.nmt.edu/publications/bulletins/135/home.html
On and on it goes
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[[The 6% figure was unavailable and unknown until the respective genomes of humans and chimps were sequenced, although it was expected that it would be higher than the 2% genetic difference over the entire genome, because evolutionary scientists know that non genetic regions are more variable than genetic regions.]]
Oh Really? They ‘didn’t know”? Eh? They Knew! But were so lustful to prove we were ‘close to chimps’ that htey included counts they KNEW were NOT correct to do so!
‘It appears appropriate to me to consider the full length of the gaps in estimating the interspecies divergence. These stretches of DNA are actually absent from one and present in the other genome. In the past, indels have often simply been counted regardless of length and added to the base substitution count, because that is convenient for phylogenetics.’8
His findings lend support to the idea that much of the failure of DNA to hybridize between chimps and humans is the result of missing DNA due to indel events. Britten then became involved in a follow-up paper in which these initial results were confirmed; in fact, it was found that ‘the 5% human-chimp difference already published is likely to be an underestimate, possibly by more than a factor of 2.’10”
“Now, Anzai et al. have published a new report in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences that confirms this statement. In the study, nearly one-half of the MHC (major histocompatibility complex) region was sequenced, ‘which to date represents the longest continuous sequence within this species [chimps], our closest evolutionary relative’, and has been described as a ‘rapidly evolving’ part of the genome.9 Although it has been held that human/chimp similarity in the MHC is ‘so great that the alleles must have originated before the supposed chimp/human evolutionary divergence’,11 the sequence results actually dropped the DNA similarity estimate down to 86.7%!12”
Indeed, the actual difference between the two species (when counting indels) is greater than 5% by well more than a factor of two. Not only this, but ‘evolutionists now recognize that complex MHC genetic motifs can arise independently’ in primates—that is, at least some similarities that do exist are not attributable to common descent.13”
As well, as I stated- it is NEVER mentioned that what even a 2% difference would amount to- the differences being SIGNIFICANT and species specific which would prevent one from biologically evolving into the other, or from either evolving from a common anscestor- As well, even supposing for hte sake of argument that Mutations could produce biological miracles, the time given for the divergence from a ‘common anscestor’, the genetic mutaitons and resulting changes simply do not add up. there simply was not enough time- again, pretending for a moment it were even biologically possible.
But whatever- beleive your distance relatives were monekys for all I care- it takes a tremendous amount of faith and suspension of facts to arrive at such a conclusion- but we’re each entitled to beleive what we want, to either accept the actual evidence, or to hook our wagon to a shooting star and beleive the biologically impossible were possible if you so choose
Woops- Forgot hte link
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/tj/v18/n2/similarity
“Junk DNA
Introns are regions of DNA in the genome that do not code for a protein product, and are therefore assumed to have no function. Because of this, ‘introns in a particular gene are often compared between organisms, with the base pair differences seen between their sequences supposedly indicating the degree and time of divergence since they last shared a common ancestor.’17 Indeed, functionless introns should be very different in humans and chimps, or even nonexistent, within the context of biblical creation. However, evidence is mounting that introns are not, after all, void of function, and the assumption that they were may ‘come to be a classic story of orthodoxy derailing objective analysis of the facts.’18 Other forms of ‘junk’ DNA, obviously said to lack function and thus able to mutate at random, actually contradict evolutionary phylogenies, such as pseudogenes shared by humans and gorillas but not chimps, the CYP pseudogene being present only in chimps, and a substitution in the Alpha-1,3GT pseudogene shared by cows, squirrel monkeys and gorillas. Many substitutions that are shared take place in a non-random manner, also weakening the explanatory power of common descent.13 Numerous articles have been published discussing the functions of various alleged forms of ‘junk’ DNA,13,17,19–22 and it is encouraging to actually see evolutionary journals awakening to this important fact. The preservation of introns
‘… suggests they do something indispensable. And indeed a large number are transcribed into varieties of RNA that perform a much wider range of functions than biologists had imagined possible. Some scientists now suspect that much of what makes one person, and one species, different from the next are variations in the gems hidden within our “junk” DNA.’23
Similarities in introns do, therefore, fit the creationist paradigm quite nicely.”
I have pondered this question and the first problem that arises is timing. Lets look at the parting of the red sea and assume that the cause was entirely natural from a wind, an earth quake or some combination of forces and lets assume that Lazarus and the little girl were in some sort of coma. The timing of the red sea parting happening at the precise time necessary to glorify God and the healing by Jesus at the precise time to glorify God beg the question about timing.
Perhaps the physical can be explained as the result of natural forces yet we are left with the problem of recognizing that the time and place of these events have almost an infinite probability of occurring without an intelligent cause.
The third problem is the fact that there are witnesses. God may have performed miracles incognito but these miracles were witnessed.
But that has nothing to do with the question you asked me. You asked what I would think if I saw...
As for eyewitness testimony, I have the same thoughts about ancient testimony as I do about contemporary testimony. In courts of law, eyewitness testimony is the most error prone and unreliable forms of evidence.
Yes- why indeed! After all, we know that relocation NEVER EVER takes place in Chimpanzee populations- therefor the Good Dr. Zhang must be correct (Note, one can only profess scenarios explaining away the differences IF they have an a priori belief that we must have descended from common ancestor- problems arise when studying? No problem, just come up with some rediculous explaination to blow the problem out of hte way)
In addition to tallying positively selected genes, Zhang's group also looked at which genes in humans and chimps were under positive selection. Again, the results were a surprise. It's been suggested that genes expressed in the brain underwent rapid evolution by positive selection in humans. "But we didn't see that," Zhang said. In fact, the researchers found no discernable trends in where within the body positively selected genes were expressed.
Woopsie! 'Nother problem- Solution? Just wave it away! After all, the A priori religious belief that we evolved must take precedence after all.
One long-held tenet did stand up to scrutiny. The "thrifty gene hypothesis," proposed by U-M human genetics pioneer James Neel in 1962, postulates that certain genes in humans were advantageous in the evolutionary past when food was scarce, but have become disadvantageous in times of plenty, predisposing their carriers to diseases such as diabetes and obesity. Zhang's team tested this hypothesis by checking to see whether genes under positive selection during human evolution are more likely to be associated with disease. "We did find some evidence of that," he said. [LINK]
Well there ya go- Finally, We find out that all animals are 'predisposed' to hording food in bad times, and eatign well, even to excess, when times are good- By golly, we must have evolved from animals then!
eyewitness testimony is the most error prone and unreliable forms of evidence.
Really? While some errors do occure, to state it is the ‘most error prone’ is inferring that it can’t be trusted at all apparently? Is that what you’re suggesting?
But if you want to know what I’d think if I saw a contemporary miracle, my first thought would be of this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBQLq2VmZcA
What would be a sound motive for accepting a miracle without investigation?
“While some errors do occur, to state it is the ‘most error prone’ is inferring that it can’t be trusted at all apparently”
Wrong.
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