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To: BroJoeK

****Not at all. In my mind, a “serious scientist” is doing actual research in his or her field, and publishing peer-reviewed results in recognized journals.

The importance of this is, when that happens, THEN you have an actual “scientific debate” going on. But now you don’t. All you really have now is some obviously religiously motivated people lowdly shouting, “we don’t want to believe what science is telling us!”****

Research is being done but nothing is being published and you know why....its in my previous post.

****Obviously religiously motivated****

This is obviously garbage. Many secular scientists are casting doubts and asking questions. Google David Berlinski (just one example), who has no religious ax to grind and see what he says.

****”we don’t want to believe what science is telling us!”****

By the way, for a lot of people (including a lot of scientists) it’s not that they don’t want to believe science, it’s that they believe the evidence for macroevolution to be specious and unconvincing.

So do I.


1,600 posted on 02/02/2009 3:04:32 PM PST by schaef21
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To: schaef21
BroJoeK:"****Obviously religiously motivated****

schaef21:"This is obviously garbage. Many secular scientists are casting doubts and asking questions. Google David Berlinski (just one example), who has no religious ax to grind and see what he says.

On your David Berlinski", here's what Eugenie Scott says about him:

Eugenie Scott, executive director of the National Center for Science Education described Berlinski's arguments in The Deniable Darwin as:[11]

". . . The content of David Berlinski's article does not differ from more traditional creation-science material, though his tone is more genteel and his writing a lot more literate. . . .

"But true to the creation-science genre, his approach consists of constructing strawmen, then knocking them down with misinterpreted, faulty, or nonexistent data as well as carefully se-lected quotations from evolutionary scientists. . . ."

As for "casting doubts and asking questions," I'd say that's what scientists are supposed to do -- it's the beginning of the scientific method. Next they design experiments intended to answer their scientific questions. So, what experiments do you suppose Berliner has conducted?

1,616 posted on 02/03/2009 9:34:23 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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