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To: BroJoeK; Mr. Silverback
Science by definition is the study of the natural world. Many scientists believe in a supernatural or metaphysical world

Actually, you said this:

"If you don't like naturalism, then by definition you cannot be a scientist."
Lurkers can go here: What is Naturalism?
1,374 posted on 01/12/2009 5:00:25 AM PST by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Darwinism!)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
ECO: "Actually, you said this:

"If you don't like naturalism, then by definition you cannot be a scientist." "

We're throwing a lot of fancy words around here -- teological, naturalism, scientism and others -- and no doubt misusing some of them.

Here is the Wikipedia definition of naturalism:

Wikipedia on Naturalism

"Philosophical naturalism is, as a position, the idea that all phenomena can be explained in terms of natural causes and laws. In its broadest and strongest sense, naturalism is the metaphysical position that "nature is all there is and all basic truths are truths of nature."[1]

"This is generally referred to as metaphysical or ontological naturalism.

"Another basic form, called methodological naturalism, is the epistemology and methodological principle which forms the foundation for the scientific method. It requires that scientific hypotheses are explained and tested by reference to natural causes and events.[2]

"Yet another form of naturalism is the idea that the methods of science should be used in philosophy. Science and philosophy, according to this view, are said to form a continuum and, hence, the same methods apply to both. W.V. Quine, George Santayana, and others have advocated this view.

"Any method of inquiry or investigation or any procedure for gaining knowledge that limits itself to natural, physical, and material approaches and explanations can be described as naturalistic."

Note the second basic form above -- that's what I thought I was refering to. ;-)

1,385 posted on 01/12/2009 12:43:36 PM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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