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Rasmussen: Only 31% Of Democrats Back Israeli's Decision To Take Military Action
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Posted on 01/01/2009 7:34:22 AM PST by hamburglar

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To: Think free or die
This doesn't surprise me, but it sure disturbs me. My piano teacher's father survived his concentration camp sentence, and yet the son is a complete pacifist

sounds like the best part of that boy dribbled down his Momma's leg! Give me a better explanation.

61 posted on 01/01/2009 3:12:25 PM PST by RVN Airplane Driver ("To be born into freedom is an accident; to die in freedom is an obligation..)
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To: Think free or die
This doesn't surprise me, but it sure disturbs me. My piano teacher's father survived his concentration camp sentence, and yet the son is a complete pacifist

sounds like the best part of that boy dribbled down his Momma's leg! Give me a better explanation.

62 posted on 01/01/2009 3:12:30 PM PST by RVN Airplane Driver ("To be born into freedom is an accident; to die in freedom is an obligation..)
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To: hamburglar

Is this surprising?


63 posted on 01/01/2009 3:38:43 PM PST by Colonel Jim
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To: justiceseeker93

I don’t watch political speech on television and am therefore out of the Greco-Roman prophecy loop. ...haven’t received any related Cavalier mail, either, since the big Putsch/Spinta from the superior folks to have Rice appointed.

I tend to pay more attention to certain facts that most people feel that they want to reject, so there will be some disagreement at times. I’m a conservative American without any religious/emotional allegiances to Europe (not even Britain, Germany, Rome or Russia). ...and no great pecuniary interest in appeasing enemies or keeping freight fuel prices low.

In the short and clear, I don’t like fascism or communism. And I’m so conservative, that I only have One G-d. That may make me an oddball in my own balkanized country these days, but so be it. ...wouldn’t take a million dollars (or equivalent in any other currency) to betray my moral beliefs.

Is that a stubborn stance, or what?


64 posted on 01/01/2009 3:44:24 PM PST by familyop (combat engineer (combat), National Guard, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: Erik Latranyi
Many Jews in America would support Hitler if he had a D after his name He did ;-) NSDAP.
65 posted on 01/01/2009 3:59:20 PM PST by RobbyS (ECCE homo)
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To: justiceseeker93; SouthTexas; oswegodeee; freekitty; celtic gal; al baby; Joe Boucher; ZULU; ...

Send a few rockets into any moron Liberal’s back yard and see what their attitude is then?


66 posted on 01/01/2009 4:10:21 PM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: ExTexasRedhead

Not a bad idea, just on general principles.


67 posted on 01/01/2009 4:16:47 PM PST by SouthTexas
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To: ExTexasRedhead

That could change a few minds.


68 posted on 01/01/2009 4:20:33 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: justiceseeker93

...tell you what. I’ll explain the reason for the list of links and quotations, although the explanation should be unnecessary. That list of links, titles and quotations has been posted primarily (if not exclusively in threads full of comments that blamed “the Jews” for Israel’s difficulties in winning against enemy forces in Lebanon, in Israel itself, and the like.

Our Republican Government has consistently pressured Israelis against defending themselves, just as Democrat governments have done the same. The evidence is in the list of links and quotations. The political and social trends against Israel are getting worse each decade.

American Jewish people don’t have much influence in US politics. There are too few of them as voters and in political positions to do so. There’s far more non-Jewish Roman influence (including so-called Protestants, these days) in US politics.

And I’m really irked by the enormous numbers of repeats of threads full of comments blaming “Jews” for other political/pecuniary reasons. It resembles some of the propaganda in Europe and the ancient Roman Empire.


69 posted on 01/01/2009 4:29:45 PM PST by familyop (combat engineer (combat), National Guard, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: familyop
I don't like fascism or communism.

I'm 100% with you there.

...wouldn't take a million dollars (or equivalent in any other currency) to betray my moral beliefs. Is that a stubborn stance, or what?

It's a righteous stance and I laud you for it.

Regrettably, though, although I'm not very satisfied about it, we have to choose between two less than ideal alternatives. For pro-Israel voters, it seems pretty clear at this point that McCain would have been the lesser of the two evils as compared to "Osama" Obama.

70 posted on 01/01/2009 5:27:32 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: familyop
Our Republican Government has consistently pressured the Israelis against defending themselves, just as Democrat governments have done the same.

I would agree, without the word "consistently," but to conclude there isn't a dime's worth of difference between the major parties in terms of this issue currently is not accurate.

Parties are prone to advance stances advocated by their respective bases. As the poll at the beginning of this thread indicates, Democrats as a group are more likely to oppose Israeli use of military force to defend itself. If you agree that the current Bush administration has been hamprering Israel in this regard to a certain extent, the incoming Obama administration, to satisfy its base, figures to pursue policies that are significantly even more detrimental to Israel's security and self-defense.

71 posted on 01/01/2009 5:46:40 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: freekitty

Pathetically, Liberals have no minds; they’re totally empty-headed with not a brain cell working.


72 posted on 01/01/2009 6:22:30 PM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: ExTexasRedhead

Kind of like a gnat.


73 posted on 01/01/2009 6:41:53 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

Not surprising. Most DemocRats are a bunch of scum-sucking, self-hating, bottom feeding anti-American radicals.

The funny thing is,once the Talibanistas take over, most social liberals will be the first to be stoned.


74 posted on 01/01/2009 7:06:33 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: ZULU

Get the popcorn handy.


75 posted on 01/01/2009 7:19:45 PM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: hamburglar

Try to find a diplomatic solution first? They’ve tried 100 times.


76 posted on 01/01/2009 7:31:21 PM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: justiceseeker93
"For pro-Israel voters, it seems pretty clear at this point that McCain would have been the lesser of the two evils as compared to "Osama" Obama."

I agree, at an easy guess, that McCain would have practiced more pro-Israel policy than Obama. But would it have been enough? That's where I disagree.

IMO, too many controlling constituents in both parties are very wrong in their perceptions of what's going on in countries like Iran, and too many wild assumptions from vanity and wishful thinking (for international trade) are published as news.


77 posted on 01/01/2009 8:13:25 PM PST by familyop (combat engineer (combat), National Guard, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: justiceseeker93
"If you agree that the current Bush administration has been hamprering Israel in this regard to a certain extent, the incoming Obama administration, to satisfy its base, figures to pursue policies that are significantly even more detrimental to Israel's security and self-defense."

Agreed. But my worst fear has to do with gradualism in western policies against Israel and in favor of the enemy. Democrats and Republicans who are pro-Israel but unrealistic/ignorant about the scenario at hand are not likely to shift toward support of military responses early enough in this scenario of allowing the enemy to incrementally build up and attain routes.

And there's not much of solid "coalition" except maybe for near-future east Indian assistance, if we don't manage to drive India away with our leaders' and diplomats' pride and biases. Each nation must have the support of its people for realistic foreign affairs policies. The support is not there in western Europe.


78 posted on 01/01/2009 8:23:51 PM PST by familyop (combat engineer (combat), National Guard, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: vietvet67
"Democratic bumper sticker:

I’m against the next war too."

Don't laugh, I've actually seen one in Northampton MA that said,

"I am already totally opposed to the next war"

Really

79 posted on 01/02/2009 4:25:53 AM PST by muir_redwoods (B. O. Stinks!!!)
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To: muir_redwoods

Northhampton’s just down the road.

I believe ya.


80 posted on 01/02/2009 5:46:39 AM PST by vietvet67
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