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‘Go to hell, creationists!’ (Evo tolerance in action)
CMI ^ | December 30, 2008 | Carl Wieland

Posted on 12/30/2008 3:42:31 PM PST by GodGunsGuts

Information scientist, author and evangelist, Dr Werner Gitt, a close friend of CMI, told us that on 23 October 2008 he was subjected to the most strident opposition he had ever encountered...

(Excerpt) Read more at creationontheweb.com ...


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To: DevNet
"How does one go about testing for God in a scientific way?"

How does one go about testing for assumed philosophical naturalism in a scientific way?

461 posted on 01/02/2009 11:30:48 AM PST by GourmetDan
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To: GourmetDan

You first.


462 posted on 01/02/2009 11:32:53 AM PST by DevNet
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To: tacticalogic
"I never did. I don't conflate methodolical naturalism with philosophical naturalism."

You quoted text that clearly said 'philosophical naturalism' and referred to 'methodological naturalism'. If you didn't commit the fallacy of equating the existence of natural physical laws with philosophical naturalism, you must have made a reading comprehension error.

Good luck finding those arguments against natural physical laws.

463 posted on 01/02/2009 11:33:26 AM PST by GourmetDan
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To: Oztrich Boy
OK, I can believe that this is a misconception that theory becomes law. Thanks for helping me learn something.

I can not verify that Einstein theory twist though....

“What Einstein realized was that this picture was wrong. Gravity, just as inertia, was not a pulling action but a pushing action because all matter warps the fabric of space and curves it. The analogy often used is that of a piece of fabric stretched tightly across a wooden frame and laid flat like a table top. Imagine what happens to the fabric when a bowling ball is placed on it. The bowling ball warps the fabric. Now imagine placing a marble on the fabric. It rolls toward the bowling ball. Its movement is not because the bowling ball in any way pulls the marble to it,. it moves because the bowling ball has created a slope in the fabric and the marble rolls down the slope. In effect the fabric is pushing on the marble. “

http://www.unmuseum.org/einstein2.htm

Space and time can be warped (or twisted), but matter is still pushed by the bending of space. I can see how matter could either be pushed or pulled towards another item, but I can not see how matter could be twisted towards another item.

Maybe you can help me out here?

464 posted on 01/02/2009 11:50:48 AM PST by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. - One of General Abram's men)
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To: DevNet
"You first."

Do you really not understand that the questions are simply equivalent and opposite?

465 posted on 01/02/2009 12:10:54 PM PST by GourmetDan
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To: GourmetDan

So you are refusing to answer the question?


466 posted on 01/02/2009 12:15:53 PM PST by DevNet
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To: DevNet
"So you are refusing to answer the question?"

So you are refusing to acknowledge my response?

467 posted on 01/02/2009 12:19:49 PM PST by GourmetDan
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To: GourmetDan

That I responded to your response is an acknowledgment.


468 posted on 01/02/2009 12:22:39 PM PST by DevNet
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To: DevNet
"That I responded to your response is an acknowledgment."

So you understand that the questions are simply equivalent and opposite?

Don't you have your answer then?

469 posted on 01/02/2009 12:25:00 PM PST by GourmetDan
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To: GourmetDan

I have an answer. I am just not sure what your answer is given your divergence from reality.


470 posted on 01/02/2009 12:28:12 PM PST by DevNet
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To: DevNet
"I have an answer. I am just not sure what your answer is given your divergence from reality."

Then your divergence from reality didn't allow you to understand that the questions are simply equal and opposite.

471 posted on 01/02/2009 12:30:02 PM PST by GourmetDan
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To: 1000 silverlings
I concur.

And I will say this:

until there is proof linking man to apes, evolution works on faith. Faith without hope.

I am happy to have my faith and hope too. I am comfortable with it. I am also comfortable with others believing what they want. I will defend my faith against others faith, but I will not force my will upon them (unless they start forcing me). When they start forcing me, the irresistible force will meet the immovable object. I hope it doesn't come to that, because I am not real sure if there will be a winner and/or a loser left to tell just what happened.

472 posted on 01/02/2009 1:01:31 PM PST by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. - One of General Abram's men)
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To: DevNet; valkyry1

What product is that?


473 posted on 01/02/2009 2:25:00 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: valkyry1

Mountains of evidence keep piling up.....


474 posted on 01/02/2009 2:25:57 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

That research is being used to develop nextgen antibiotics.

Still waiting for you to retract your false statements against me.


475 posted on 01/02/2009 2:26:52 PM PST by DevNet
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To: DevNet; Ethan Clive Osgoode
I have not. I would like to say that the side that you appear to associate yourself with doesn’t behave much better.

How would you know how which side behaved if you hadn't read the thread?

476 posted on 01/02/2009 2:27:30 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

Because I read this thread.


477 posted on 01/02/2009 2:32:08 PM PST by DevNet
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To: DevNet

So you ass-u-me-d....


478 posted on 01/02/2009 2:35:52 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

No. I observed the behavior of posters on this thread then commented on the behavior of those posters on this thread.

You are the one who assumed that I was talking about the other thread.

Still waiting on your retraction.


479 posted on 01/02/2009 2:37:24 PM PST by DevNet
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To: GourmetDan
Good luck finding those arguments against natural physical laws.

I'll just keep pointing out the difference between philosophical and methodological naturalism that you're so careful to avoid.

480 posted on 01/02/2009 3:01:31 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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