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The New York Times defends the "rights of illegal immigrants."
New York Times ^ | 12/28/08 | Polarik

Posted on 12/28/2008 9:08:06 AM PST by Polarik

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To: Clintonfatigued

Is Pinch planning on putting up the little darlings in his home ?


41 posted on 12/28/2008 2:21:53 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: Mr. Mojo
We welcome immigrants who respsct the legal process and desire assimilation. Unfortunately those types are becoming increasingly rare.

The problem with that statement is that it's just not true from the perspective of someone on the outside. The legal process treats anyone seeking to move to the US as a suspect person and it raises roadblocks and obstacles at every turn to dissuade anyone from even trying. I'm saying this as someone who's actually gone through it. After working for several years in the US (legally under temporary work-visas) I decided I wanted to move permanently to the US. I had found a good job, made lots a very good friends and I felt very appreciated by the people around me. I gave up on this during the green-card process after I got tired of having to constantly defend myself and my motives for wanting to move to the US in front of various beaurocrats, as if an active willingness to live in the US was, in itself, something suspect. I'm a well educated person, an experieced professional in an industry that was screaming for skilled people in that part of the US, I'm perfectly fluent in English AND I had an employer sponsoring me 100%. I can't even begin to imagine how this process is for someone who doesn't have all that.

What I'm saying is, of course it's your prerogative set the bar as high as you like for admitting people in to your country. Many americans feel it should be considered a privilege to be allowed residence in the US, which is a fair sentiment as well. But you're driving away people who WANT to move the the US because they honestly like it and you're left with people who might not like the US but all their other options are worse. As much as I liked America and all the lovely people I've met there, this feeling was not reciprocated by the US government. And I don't want to live with a government that actively dislikes me and I suspect most people feel the same way if they have a choice.

42 posted on 12/28/2008 2:24:41 PM PST by SwedishConservative
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To: Polarik
It's wacked out alright. Nothing but pure agit-prop.

It’s way too early to tell whether the United States under President-elect Barack Obama will restore realism, sanity and lawfulness to its immigration system...

How do you "restore lawfulness" by ignoring the fundamental fact that an illegal alien, by definition, is a law breaker. Logic is turned on its head with that position.

If you uphold workers’ rights, even for those here illegally, you uphold them for all working Americans.

More convoluted logic. The basics of civil law are that rights are surrendered by breaking the law. Due process only follows through on a decision the perpetrator voluntarily made. Breaking the law is breaking the civil contract with society. There is no right in any code of law to do that.

If you ignore and undercut the rights of illegal immigrants, you encourage the exploitation that erodes working conditions and job security everywhere.

Pure nonsense. It starts with the false premise that someone who breaks the law to get a job has a right to the job. That is diametrically opposed to the truth. Illegal aliens are exploited because they have broken the law and have so made themselves vulnerable. Again that is the opposite of the truth and the reality of the situation. Tolerating that lawlessness in the job market undermines working conditions and job security not the other way around.

To appease Republican nativists,...

Now we get into the class warfare end of the agit-prop. Those who support sovereignty and the rule of law are labeled in a demeaning (and false) way to end any rational analysis of the falsehoods being promoted by the piece. Push some emotional buttons so that critical thinking is short circuited.

The expectation of group-think is so strong they even paint Pres. Bush's position to be the exact opposite of what it is just to bolster their unfair and illogical portrait of the conservative position.

In order to believe what is being said here every shred of intellectual honesty has to be thrown out the window. The position the article gives is 100% faith-based. It doesn't stand on one iota of truth, common sense or reality. It is a complete fiction that only appeals to the emotions of hate, anger and fear drawn from years of previous class-envy agit-prop.

43 posted on 12/28/2008 2:34:31 PM PST by TigersEye (I threw my shoe at Mohammed and hit Allah in the butt.)
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To: Polarik

Is this why the NYT is losing money and may soon be history. Hey NYT publish your paper in Spainsh since the Americans are not buying enough papers to keep you out of the red. These illegals you admire so much surely will bailout you and once again the NYT dollar will grow


44 posted on 12/28/2008 2:36:54 PM PST by HollyButler
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To: ExTexasRedhead
SO DEPRESSING...WHIMPER... we are all going to go nuts..my husband told me today I am in for a rough 4 years..he hates it too that 0bama is the elected President and he is not going to focus on it or he too would lose his mind and one of us needs to be sane enough to do the taxes for April..you know...empty our pockets forTHE ONE..
45 posted on 12/28/2008 3:51:53 PM PST by celtic gal
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To: HollyButler

I wonder what percent of their workforce consists of “undocumented workers.” If it’s not 50%, we should demand that they replace enough staff to achieve that balance.


46 posted on 12/28/2008 4:01:08 PM PST by Polarik (quote)
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To: Polarik
Former Fed. prosecutor James H. Walsh has published a very well researched book entitled: Illegals Aliens "Counting the uncountable.

In it he painstakingly documents that the number used so often of 8-12 or even 20 million illegals in the country is way off the mark.

Walsh uses(as of 2005 data) a figure of 38 million illegals now in the country. He calculates the number as follows: "using a conservative annual rate of entry (allowing for deaths and returns to their homelands) of three illegal aliens entering the US for each one apprehended. "

Using this estimate he comes up with 36 million from 1996-2005. Along with 2 million visa over stays Walsh comes up with the 38 million estimate.

If this figure is true,and I believe it to be so, the problem is far worse than ever anticipated.

Now use a multiple for anchor babies and you can get a picture of the US in only 10 years,not to even mention a declining economy,that is scary at best and frightening at worst.

47 posted on 12/28/2008 4:33:07 PM PST by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)
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To: Polarik

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48 posted on 12/28/2008 5:15:37 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Clintonfatigued
Sounds like they are trying to get some illegal aliens to come back...

As an inducement, they might want to give these illegals jobs at the Slimes, to cut their payroll. No concern about government enforcement action against them for this, considering who's coming to power in DC!

49 posted on 12/28/2008 6:40:34 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: Polarik

Apparently the NY Times is hiring moonbat bloggers to write uncredited editorials.

I believe the third statement may set a new record for hyperbole: “tactics”, “attacked”, “upside down and backwards”, “nativists”, “lavished”, “hunting down”, “punishing”, “campaign of raids”, “terrorized”, and “mock”.


50 posted on 01/02/2009 5:02:56 PM PST by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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