Posted on 12/09/2008 6:32:38 AM PST by Mobile Vulgus
Well. I am sure that this is going to anger some of you. But, I have to say it anyway…
OK, I have basically stayed silent about this whole Obama birth certificate dust up until now because I have been trying to resolve the dichotomy in my mind between being a Constitutional constructionist and a pragmatist. But, at long last I have realized that the two really aren't as much at odds as it might seem. In fact, I found my answer in the words of Thomas Jefferson -- as well as Madison, Franklin and a few others, but we'll stick with Jefferson quotes for the sake of a sharply focused discussion.
I have discovered that Thomas Jefferson has already told us upon which side we as conservatives should descend over the question concerning Barack Obama's birth certificate and his eligibility for the office of president of the United States. Mister Jefferson would tell you all to shut up, accept cruel fate, and get ready to claim Barack Obama as the 44th president of the United States of America.
That's right, forget about it. Move on. Nothing to see here.
Before you get your Constitutional shorts in a bunch, I absolutely agree with you that we are a nation of laws and not men. Jefferson did too, once saying that we must consider what the original intent of the Constitution was before we rush into a decision and the original intent in this case was clearly to make sure every president was a natural born citizen of this country before being eligible to run for that highest of offices. ("The Constitution on which our Union rests, shall be administered ... according to the safe and honest meaning contemplated by the plain understanding of the people of the United States at the time of its adoption -- a meaning to be found in the explanations of those who advocated [for it]..."-- Thomas Jefferson)
The simple reason that the founders wanted the president to be a natural born citizen was because they were keen students of history. The phrase "let history be our guide" was not just a trope. The founders knew well the many instances when a foreign ruler had entered a country and, using that country's own laws and customs, immorally proclaimed himself the ruler of a subjugated nation. The founders wanted to prevent that possibility and also wanted to make sure that there were no divided loyalties in an American president, that the welfare of the USA would be first and foremost in the mind of anyone elected to that office. What better way than to preclude the foreign born?
So, yes, the proscriptions against the foreign born candidate are important and should not be cast aside. We should never knowingly present a candidate not born as a citizen of the U.S. Further, we should take pains to verify the provenance of every candidate's claim to natural citizenship.
But... and you knew the “but” was coming. There is an original intent that rises above the Constitution itself. In fact, there are a few, but one in particular comes to bear here...
Read the rest at Publiusforum.com...
More advocacy for the revolutionary overthrow of American constitutional self-government.
ok. right. You make him.
You quoted Jefferson — “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”
Ummm..., I think American blood has been shed recently, on behalf of the tree of liberty — in Iraq and Afghanistan.... :-)
“Do we need race riots now? “
It wouldn’t be just blacks rioting. Tens of millions of whites voted for him as well.
Pass the popcorn this way...
Right. And the rest of his young years being steeped in communist dogma.
>May God grant us the ability to survive the next 4 years!<
As long as we don’t give in to that treasonous “One World Government” bullsh*t do we have a chance to survive. Of course, there is always the shadow of mushroom clouds, but then all bets are off.
Now THAT is the $64,000 question. I mean, there seems to be so much to logically militate AGAINST this whole birth certificate question, not least of which is the fact that he obviously had a birth certificate to be able to get the passports he travelled overseas on in the past. So why doesn't he just release the thing and be done with it, and put all this to bed?
I don't know. I wonder if it might be something as simple and stupid as, well, it was lost somehow.
I agree that Obama’s ties to Odinga, his “foreignness” stemming from his time in Indonesia etc., his seeking out the “structural feminists” and paling around with Ayers etc. are all real problems. So let’s focus on that aspect of his not-a-natural-born citizen. He is a real threat to our country because he doesn’t really understand the American dream or tradition.
Granted all that. But trying to get him disqualified based on the fact that his mother was one year shy of the time of residence required by the law in force in 1961 is POLITICALLY counterproductive. It won’t succeed anyway but even if it did succeed, it would not help our cause politically. It might have worked a year ago to knock him out of the running before he gained traction, but now it would harm us politically.
Let’s focus on all that’s wrong with him apart from his birth certificate. There’s plenty there to be energized about.
You said — “IS GROUNDS FOR IMPEACHMENT !”
It won’t happen from the example of the last impeachment. That was a more clearcut accusation and less of a Democrat majority. In this case, it will never happen...
Hawaii has never released anything, that's the point.
The BC provided has been proved fraud. Obama's sister was born in Indonesia, an undisputed fact...she has a Hawaiian COLB
My wife was a resident alien until about 5 years ago. She was born in Okinawa to Filipine and Okinawan Parents but because her father worked on the Kadena Air Base she had a Social Security Number!! SSN doesn’t prove a thing when it comes to citizenship!!!
Ravenstar
But he married his ‘other’ white wife IN KENYA. She was a white African.
And Stanley’s family was well off. Her mother was the VP of a bank, her father wasn’t a loser. How about a little wedding present mom and dad?
HIS copy may have been lost, but they have a photostat of the original one on record. That is certain because it has been sealed by the Governor. But SHE can’t release it because she has been specifically instructed not to. And there is only one person in the world who has that authority...
That’s a great question. So, if he has one, why doesn’t he show it? I don’t know where he was born (I’m on the fence here) however, there’s something he doesn’t want made public.
Perhaps....but there's no record that Obama has any naturalisation records, either, which he would have had (as you surely have) if he had emigrated to this country and subsequently become a naturalised citizen. This suggests one of two things - either he is a US citizen with a real, true to life birth certificate somewhere (perhaps floating around in a US Postal Service sorting centre in Toledo?) or else he is an illegal immigrant. Honestly, I'm betting on the former, rather than the latter.
I came to this country with a student visa. I immediately got a social security card (for years it said "ineligible to work" but was a SS card anyhow) and a driver's license. All that while I was a Spanish citizen. When I took the oath of citizenship I became eligible to apply for a US passport (haven't done it yet, cannot think of anywhere else in the world that I would rather be than right here) but I cannot run for president. I don't see your "logic"
Oh, I didn't know that, I stand corrected! All the same, I still think there's just too much reasonable evidence and logic against the "Obama is an illegal immigrant" notion for it to stand scrutiny in the long run.
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