Posted on 12/06/2008 10:29:30 AM PST by Deepest End
Hussein must offer proof beyond a reasonable doubt that he is a natural born citizen. He has been legally challenged. Rather than produce the requisite documents, he has lawyered up like a Mafia Don. He has spent over 800 G’s on three legal firms, and is thumbing his nose at many of the American people’s demands that he satisfy a basic constitutional requirement. He has insulted our intelligence by proffering an obviously fraudulent Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth as proof of his natural born status, despite the criminal ramifications of such actions.
Three presidential candidates have had their constitutional eligibility challenged in the 20th and 21st centuries, Barry Goldwater, George Romney, and John McCain. All of these men produced the requested documentation for legal analysis. None of them hid behind surrogates and all of them at one time or other addressed the issue in public. None of them relied exclusively on surrogates to speak for them on this matter.
Far more damage will be done to the country if a usurper is allowed to take office, subsequently shown to be ineligible after having signed legislation, initiated ratified treaties, made appointments to US offices, ordered troop movements, only to have all those official acts reversed after the truth comes out. I would rather deal with the riots attendant on keeping him out of office than face a civil war. That war will not be a War Between the States like our affair in the mid 19th Century, where one faction wanted to secede and leave the Fed Gov intact. Both sides, with the exception of Guerrilla skirmishes in the border states, faced off using Napoleonic era tactics with clearly delineated borders. This conflict would be an intermingled inter and intrastate struggle over who controls the government. It would be ugly and probably brutal beyond belief. We must do all that we can do NOW to prevent such a hideous possibility.
If it is apparent beyond reasonable doubt that Hussein is not a natural born citizen, then we must look to any and all legal and constitutional actions to deny him the presidency. If the constitution of the US is not worth defending against mob rule, then nothing is. If we wish to preserve the republic, than we had best let the chips fall, and then sort them out. By whatever means necessary.
We who value the constitution will not allow the moral emphasis of this argument to be inverted. All this speculation, correct or not; has come about because this lying crypto-marxist thug from the most corrupt environs of leftist Chicago sewer politics has ascended to POTUS-elect status with the willing acquiescence of the MSM. The MSM was hell-bent on concealing this usurper’s background because they wanted him to be elected. Now, in a classic case of blame the messenger, those of us who believe in the constitution are being reviled for insisting that a POTUS comply with a basic requirement that most of us unhesitatingly conform with when seeking a driver’s license.
Ask yourself, what kind of narcissistic, self absorbed individual rends the public tranquility like this when the remedy is so easy for a legitimate candidate? The arrogance and effrontery of this man is breathtaking. The founders knew that they were not natural born citizens, so they had to include language in Art II Sec 1 that exempted THEM. Does this fraud think that he is better than Washington, Madison, Adams, and Jefferson in that sense? Apparently he does, and with the acquiescence of enough people, he will succeed in usurping and corrupting the Executive Branch of government. This situation presents the very real possibility of impelling this great nation beyond a constitutional crisis toward a civil war.
I wish to recall you to a time when a group of men, who were attempting to bring a new vision of liberty and democratic republican governance to the world vowed their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor to that task. Yes, the group of men who were the Founders. I believe that Barack Obama is a unique domestic threat to the republic that they founded that I have never seen before in my lifetime. A man who has stated his contempt for a “fundamentally flawed” constitution. I believe that he is prepared, by dint of education and inclination, to destroy it. He could be our version of Julius Ceasar, a precursor to the end of our Republic, unless we oppose vigorously oppose him NOW before he gets into office. (If he can prove his natural born status, then I will accept that and oppose him on policy being CERTAIN that I will have to owing to his already professed world view)
Finally, consider the implications of a man who would undertake these devious machinations to knowingly assume an office that he has no constitutional claim to, and than to see this same counterfeit president elect take an oath to defend that constitution. I believe that such a man would be willing to impose ANY sort or despotism or tyranny upon us to retain power.
It doesn't. I was simply responding to the notion that the stock market would rise if it was suddenly announced that Obama was ineligible under the Constitution to serve as POTUS. The resulting chaos would all be Obama's fault, but there is little doubt that the markets would react very badly to all the confusion.
That's why, if it does happen, I suspect that there will be an attempt to keep it all quiet until the correct course of action has been determined by the SCOTUS and an orderly transition is worked out, probably involving Biden taking over with Obama's team in place before any further steps are taken.
But if you really think that's going to happen, I would sell, sell, sell, right now, and pick up a few bargains once it has been announced.
I appreciate you pointing me to the info, but I don’t have time to trawl though dozens of photocopied documents. From looking at the brief filed to the SCOTUS the claim simply states that because Obama’s father was a British subject, he is not a natural born citizen.
But where does it say that to be a natural born citizen you have to have two American parents if you were born in the US? Obama’s mother was a natural born American, and he (the suit doesn’t dispute) was also born in the USA. Ergo, he is qualified.
I actually think he has a stronger case with McCain being born on Panamanian soil (a local hospital) but even then I really don’t see his case succeeding even if McCain had won the election.
As you say, we’re all entitled to our opinion. I just worry that this will be a distraction to too many people over the next four years. There is a point where you just have to suck it up and move on. There will be plenty to do as it is to win in 2010 and 2012.
I said - and I am correct: "However, the time for challenging nominations at the state level has expired."
Most if not all states have a stautory period of time within which one may contest the eligibilty of a primary candidate and prevent his/her name from being on the primary ballot. I can't find my notes but believe Mass provides the last date for a challenge is a day or so after the last date for filing a nomination.
In response, you said - and you are correct: "The electors have not voted yet, Barack Hussein Barry Soetoro Dunham Obama is not President Elect until that happens, so I would tend to disagree."
I agree with that statement - if you strike the phrase "...so I would tend to disagree" (smile)
I was pointing out that unlike most of the other cases, Donofrio's has a unique and interesting take. But where does it say that to be a natural born citizen you have to have two American parents if you were born in the US? Obama’s mother was a natural born American, and he (the suit doesn’t dispute) was also born in the USA. Ergo, he is qualified.
http://federalistblog.us/2008/11/natural-born_citizen_defined.html
Not an exhaustive read, but informative.
And if he can help it, there never will be...at least until 50 years after he's dead and gone.
I skimmed the article (just about to go to bed), and he seems to conclude that if your father is not an American then you can’t be natural born, but if he is and your mother isn’t then that’s okay.
Given the equal rights amendment, I can’t see how that argument can fly these days (even if it could in years past). An American mother has as much right to have her son recognized as a citizen as an American father has, anything less would seem to be unconstitutional.
IANAL so what do I know, but I would be astounded if the SCOTUS invalidated Obama’s right to be president on those grounds. Frankly, I believe that nothing short of Obama being revealed to be the child of *two* foreign parents *and* born overseas will make the SCOTUS strip the presidency from Obama, and no number of carefully crafted lawsuits arguing obscure or highly technical explanations of what is meant by “natural born” will change their mind.
The thing I worry about with this type of stuff is that some deranged fool will get it into their head to “take the law into their own hands” after people have spent months banging on about it and getting nowhere. People should chill and start working on winning back the White House in 2012, like the rest of the Republican party is doing.
Good idea! Have you seen this enclosed citizenship petition against Obama:
http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244
Our names are in there too, as well as on similar petition at WND!!!
Me too! I signed both (and sent in a letter).
http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244
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