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To: missnry

If his mother is an American then he is and he can be President !


8 posted on 11/29/2008 12:03:56 AM PST by america-rules
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To: america-rules

Well if you have seen BHO’s “birth certificate” please let everyone on FR know. This is the main issue as of today. It is even more of an issue because a fraudulent “Certification of Live Birth” was posted on Barack’s “Fight the Smears” website. This act alone is a felony! The second issue is Barack dual citizenship at birth. As stated on his own website he had “dual-citizenship” because of his Kenyan father. Barack at birth was a British citizen because of his father. http://www.lanlamphere.com/public/2008/11/22/what-is-a-natural-born-citizen-by-leo-donofrio/


11 posted on 11/29/2008 12:21:59 AM PST by missnry (The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals Crazy!)
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To: america-rules
If his mother is an American then he is and he can be President !

Check your facts my friend.The Federal courts (including,IIRC,the SCOTUS) have consistently ruled that Congress has the right to establish citizenship laws and modify those laws as it sees fit.And,over the years,Congress has done both.So the question is...at the time of Husseins birth,what laws were in effect regarding a mother's ability to transmit US citizenship...at birth...to a child? *That*...and that alone...is what determines if she did so to *him*.

I've seen it suggested that the laws in effect *at the time of his birth* did *not* allow her to transmit US citizenship to any child.It only remains to be seen whether or not that claim is correct.If it's not then the issue of Hussein's place of birth seems to be moot.If it is....Katy bar the door!

12 posted on 11/29/2008 3:13:56 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Obama:"Ich bin ein beginner")
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To: america-rules

Not according to some statutes/laws written by Congress.


17 posted on 11/29/2008 5:07:20 AM PST by mathluv (The Barracuda and the Maverick will take on the Messiah and the Mouth)
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To: america-rules

“If his mother is an American then he is and he can be President!”

Uh, you might want to check some facts on this. Be sure to follow this thread, valuable insight will be gained from responding folks, which you can VERIFY for your edification. Stand by!! (POLITELY saying....you’re wrong on this one!!)


20 posted on 11/29/2008 6:33:31 AM PST by Fighter@heart (Anti-troll mechanism is on & scanning all posts)
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To: america-rules

You are incorrect.

There is a difference between citizen and natural born citizen. His mother was not old enough to transfer her citizenship to Obama on her own and his father was not a US citizen.


22 posted on 11/29/2008 7:42:10 AM PST by autumnraine (Churchill: " we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall never surrender")
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To: america-rules
If his mother is an American then he is and he can be President !Not true, if born in Kenya he could be at best a citizen, not a natural born citizen. If he used his Indonesian passport in 1981 then he is at best an illegal alien.
24 posted on 11/29/2008 7:54:03 AM PST by jcsjcm (Upholding the Constitution til my last breath)
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To: america-rules

According to the information from this video, having an American born mother is not enough!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqH7rSHcvgU


27 posted on 11/29/2008 8:10:56 AM PST by classified
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To: america-rules
If his mother is an American then he is and he can be President !

Nope.

32 posted on 11/29/2008 8:34:33 AM PST by null and void (Hey 0bama? There will be a pop quiz every day for the next four years...miss a question, people die.)
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To: america-rules
If his mother is an American then he is and he can be President !

Did you get this from Big Bird's Rules for American Citizenship?
34 posted on 11/29/2008 8:41:13 AM PST by aruanan
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To: america-rules

You obviously don’t know much regarding this story. Best to learn before you talk about it.


37 posted on 11/29/2008 8:53:15 AM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: america-rules; All
The United States Supreme Court, the 14th Amendment does not confer "natural born citizen" status anywhere in its text.  It simply states that a person born in the United States is a "Citizen", and only if he is "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States.  

Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution of the United States:

"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

The most overlooked words in that section are: "...or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution..."  You must recall that most, if not all, of the framers of the Constitution were, at birth, born as British subjects.  

Stop and think about that.

The chosen wording of the Framers here makes it clear that they had drawn a distinction between themselves - persons born subject to British jurisdiction - and "natural born citizens" who would not be born subject to British jurisdiction or any other jurisdiction other than the United States.  And so the Framers grandfathered themselves into the Constitution as being eligible to be President.  But the grandfather clause only pertains to any person who was a Citizen... at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution.  Obama was definitely not a Citizen at the time of the adoption of the Constitution and so he is not grandfathered in.

And so, for Obama or anybody else to be eligible to be President, they must be a "natural born citizen" of the United States "at birth".  It should be obvious that the Framers intended to deny the Presidency to anybody who was a British subject "at birth".  If this had not been their intention, then they would not have needed to include a grandfather clause which allowed the Framers themselves to be President.

If you click through to Factcheck.org, a more detailed discussion as to why Obama was a British citizen at birth explains the relevant statutes:

"When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom's dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.'s children:

British Nationality Act of 1948 (Part II, Section 5): Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth.

In other words, at the time of his birth, Barack Obama Jr. was both a U.S. citizen (by virtue of being born in Hawaii) and a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies (or the UKC) by virtue of being born to a father who was a citizen of the UKC.' "


The article goes on to state that Obama's British citizenship was transferred to Kenya as Kenya became independent from the UK and that Obama's Kenyan citizenship expired when he turned 21 years old.  But none of that is relevant since the Constitution requires that every President be a "natural born citizen".  The word "born" is proof positive that the status must be present "at birth".  If this were not the case, then, as stated above, the Framers would not have needed to put in a grandfather clause. 

The Framers recognized that even they were not "natural born citizens" and so they wrote the grandfather clause in to allow any of them to become President.  But the grandfather clause only pertains to those who were Citizens at the time of the Constitution's adoption.  And so, Barack Obama is not a "natural born citizen" of the United States and neither is John McCain who was born in Panama, and neither is Roger Calero who was born in Nicaragua.

39 posted on 11/29/2008 10:02:36 AM PST by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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