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To: BP2
Great article! Very thorough. I have a few questions about what you said.

To have a FULL accounting, the "birth certificate" is NOT enough. The ENTIRE "birth record" on file with the Secretary of Health Vital Statistics Office, as well as any archived files with the former "Secretary of Hawaii" (as was the procedure under the Organic Act of 1900), should be examined to determine if a “Late Birth Certificate” with modifications, or a “Certificate of Hawaiian Birth” is present or has been archived away from the "vault copy."

Seems like Hawaii makes a clear distinction between the short-form, Certification of Live Birth, and the "longer, but not long form," Certificate of Live Birth from what they call a "standard birth certificate," which is Hawaii's long-form, Certificate of Live Birth, or the Certificate of Hawaiian Birth, or any complete, original Birth Certificate, or Certificate of Birth (same thing) issued BY ANOTHER STATE OR COUNTRY at the time of birth, signed by the attending doctor, parent(s), and so on.

From my understanding of the Law, there is a big difference between having a "standard birth certificate" on record AND a late registration, Certificate of Live Birth, which is substituted (but is not a substitute) for a nonexistent "standard birth certificate."

According to Vital Records:

A request to amend a Certificate of Live Birth will, however, be considered to be and treated as an application with the Department of Health for registration of a late certificate of birth in current use, unless a standard birth certificate for that person already exists in the vital records of the Department of Health.

If there is a standard birth certificate on record, and the approval is given to amend it with an application for a new Certificate of Hawaiian Birth, THEN the original, standard birth certificate is put in an envelope and sealed, and the existing birth record is updated -- but, it is definitely NOT called an original birth certificate.

If there is NO standard birth certificate on record, and the approval is given to accept a new Certificate of Live Birth, THEN that COB becomes a late birth registration, and the information on it is used to create a new birth record.

BUT, Hawaii DOES NOT label that birth record, a "Standard birth record," because it was created with a late birth, COB.

What if the request for amending the standard birth record is denied? Then the standard birth record remains in force.

What if the request for creating a late birth COB is denied? Then there will be no birth records of any kind.

Again, here are the rules:

If there is no standard birth certificate on file, an applicant is required to submit documentary evidence of the birth facts necessary to support of the registration of the late certificate of birth. If approved, the late birth certificate will be registered in place of the Certificate of Hawaiian Birth, which must then be surrendered to the Department of Health.

What if there was an exisiting birth record, and the request from Obama's mother is approved, but she never surrenders the previous COB or whatever was the standard birth record? I would imagine that the approval would be rescinded, as if it never was approved. Or, perhaps approval is only given contingent upon getting that COB back?

There were two events that might, at least, reduce the possible scenarios.

First off, I'd bet that what turned out to be a rumor, that Gov. Lingle had "sealed" Obama's original birth certificate, was actually a misunderstood communication leaked to the press regarding what was said. Namely, that Obama does have a an "original birth certificate" sitting in a sealed envelope, and THAT is what Directors Fukino and Onaka "formally verified," because (a) there was a sealed envelope, and (b) only the Health Department can seal a birth record.

Now, what's in that "sealed" envelope? I can tell you what is NOT iin that sealed envelope, and that is the bogus information on a forged COLB.

78 posted on 11/28/2008 9:53:54 PM PST by Polarik
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79 posted on 11/28/2008 10:23:37 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
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