Posted on 11/28/2008 8:52:27 AM PST by BP2
Why? No one challenged anything he did as an IL Senator. And he even admitted there were issues with his citizenship during a debate with Alan Keyes and Jack Ryan.
Thanks, LucyT
MSM are COWARDS for not reporting this and other Obama lies Ping.
You asked — “Why? No one challenged anything he did as an IL Senator. And he even admitted there were issues with his citizenship during a debate with Alan Keyes and Jack Ryan.”
That’s because there wouldn’t be anything to be legally challenged in his birth certificate (as a natural-born citizen) as an Illinois Senator. But, there is something to be legally challenged, in that regard, as President of the United States (per the Constitution...).
You would be right if Obama was a ‘naturalized citizen’ while holding a senatorial office.
But, since there is no documentation to prove that, he may be an illegal alien (actually, I say enemy combatant).
THAT would be challengable as an IL senator.
This is a most excellent article.
Tremendous research! It provides sources for a few of the things we’ve been saying about the more relaxed atmosphere of the 1960s surrounding documents and birth certificates.
A reference piece that is valuable. Thanks!
Two thumbs up.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Actually, the Brits would have at least some type of records. Kenya was a UK Colony at the time of 0’s birth up until he was approximately 2 years old.
Extracts from a biography on Answers.comWell, that's a lot -- please read the whole bio. What parallels to the star-crossed power twins of William Ayers and Barrack Obama!Sun Yat-sen was born on Nov. 12, 1866 [bvw -- his Hawaiian birth cert claims he was born Nov. 24, 1876! Obama's date is in question too, but not off by ten years.], into a peasant household Kwangtung [bvw --a province of China]. His early education, like his birthplace, established him as a man of two worlds, China and the West. After a rudimentary training in the Chinese classics in his village school, he was sent to Hawaii in 1879 [bvw -- how like Obama's early years in Indonesian learning Islam, a child of two worlds!], to join his émigré elder brother. There he enrolled at an Anglican college where he studied Western science and religion. Upon graduation in 1882, he returned to his native village, but he soon was banished for defacing the village idols.
Sun spent the formative years of his late teens and early 20s studying [medicine] in Hong Kong.
By the spring of 1893 [bvw-- age 26, corresponding to Obam's Colombia years], he had become more interested in politics than in medicine. Sun returned to Hawaii to organize the Hsing-chung hui (Revive China Society) [bvw -- "Community organizing" of a sort]. When the Sino-Japanese War appeared to present possibilities for the overthrow of the Manchus, Sun returned to Hong Kong and reorganized the Hsing-chung hui as a revolutionary secret society [bvw --the Weathermen of the day] . An uprising was planned in Canton in 1895 but was discovered, and several of Sun's comrades were executed. Having become a marked man, Sun fled and found refuge in Japan.
The pattern for Sun's career was established: hastily organized plots, failures, execution of co-conspirators, overseas wanderings in search of sanctuary and financial backing for further coups [bvw -- sort of like Obam'a pal and mentor William Ayers]. Sun grew a moustache, donned Western-style clothes, and, posing as a Japanese, set out once again, first to Hawaii, then to San Francisco, and finally to England to visit Cantlie. There he was kidnaped by the Chinese legation and held captive pending deportation back to China. Rescued at the last minute through the efforts of Cantlie, he emerged from captivity with an international reputation enhanced by his own account of the event, Kidnapped in London (1897) [bvw -- sort of like "Dreams of My Father"]. Before leaving England, he frequented the reading room of the British Museum [bvw- in Dreams Obama claims to have spent his Colombia years in the college library], where he became acquainted with the writings of Karl Marx [bvw -- Marx again!].
In July 1897 Sun returned to Japan, where he adopted the pseudonym Nakayama (Chinese, Chung-shan). He also attracted the support of prominent Japanese Sinophiles, liberals, and adventurers who hoped that Japan, by promoting political change in China, could build an Asian bloc against the West. [bvw -- Change! And an alliance with plotters like Soros et al.]
[...] By the time he arrived back in China on Christmas Day, rebellion had spread through the Yangtze Valley. A tumultuous welcome greeted Sun, and in Nanking, revolutionary delegates from 14 provinces elected him president of a provisional government. On Jan. 1, 1912, Sun Yat-sen proclaimed the establishment of the Republic of China.
[...civil war...] He undertook, moreover, to breathe new life into the faltering Kuomintang and to set in motion a thoroughgoing reorganization of the party. Of equal consequence was Sun's decision to accept support from the Soviet Union Part of the agreement provided for the admission of individual Chinese Communists into the Kuomintang. On Jan. 26, 1923, in a joint manifesto with Sun, Soviet envoy Adolph Joffe guaranteed Russian support for the reunification of China.
By the middle of February 1923 Sun was back again as head of a military government. On October 6 Michael Borodin arrived in Canton, having been sent by the Comintern in response to Sun's request for an adviser on party organization. In January 1924 the first National Congress of the Kuomintang approved a new constitution which remodeled the party along Soviet lines. At the top of a tightly disciplined pyramidal structure was to be a Central Executive Committee with bureaus in charge of propaganda, workers, peasants, youth, women, investigation, and military affairs. Sun's Three People's Principles were restated to emphasize anti-imperialism and the leading role of the party.
To the point of the thread note how Sun moved effortlessly from one nation to another, community organizing, power group organizing and playing-off one another, making and breaking alliances, establishing secret organizations. And deftly changing identities!
Excellent job, man somebody is out gunning for you, I have seen all kinds of threats made in that direction of articles like this, keep up the work, keep fighting, and keep track of all other documents like the selective service form.
This is like the ending of Serenity when the message of truth gets broadcasted across the galaxy.
I understand it that Senators have looser rules of birth than one applying for POTUS
I understand it that Senators have looser rules of birth than one applying for POTUS
Keep putting lipstick on that old Hawaiian Pig why don’t they?
Additionally, the “Certification of Live Birth” is not recognized by many Federal agencies. DoD 5220.22-M, the "National Industrial Security Program Operating Manual," provides baseline standards for the protection of classified information released or disclosed from the military, Department of Energy, and other agencies, to industry. Section 2-208states that acceptable certificates must show that the birth record was filed shortly after birth. If a “Delayed Birth Certificate” is on file, it must be supported by secondary evidence of birth, such as baptismal or circumcision certificates, hospital birth records, or affidavits of persons having personal knowledge about the facts of birth.
Even to work at the Navy Ship Yard in Pearl Harbor, the August 2008 version of the, “Unified Facilities Guide Specifications,” section 1.5.22.2 allows for a total of 18 different means to verify US citizenship, ranging from a military ID card to even a “Hawaii certificate of foreign birth.” The “Certification of Live Birth” is not on the list of approved documents acceptable for proof of Citizenship.
I’ve read several places (on FR) that since in 1961 Kenya was part of the UK empire (or whatever official title), after it became independent, all records of citizens etc were sent to Great Britain, and they have them locked up there. So 0bama’s birth records, if he was born in Kenya, would be among those in the UK.
Verbal accounts by some of Obama’s family reportedly indicate Obama’s birthplace was either Kapiolani or Queens Hospital in Hawaii on Aug. 8, 1961. However, no birthing records reportedly can be found in either of the two hospitals, and no records seem to exist that list Obama’s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, as a patient at either hospital. Also, no medical staff has come forward to offer affidavits of Obama’s birth. A birth announcement appeared in the Aug. 13, 1963 edition of the Honolulu Advertiser, however, it’s not definitive if the announcement was placed by the Department of Vital Statistics or a family member. If the latter is true, it’s plausible that Obama and mother may not have been on the island at the time of birth.
Thanks for the best laugh today!
Heaven forbid a black preacher get emotional on us! :-)
We the People.. listen up.
The entire BARACK OBAMA birth story is just plain weird and highly suspect.
Consider this. Stanley Dunham is about to give birth to little Barack. But where is her husband and the baby’s father, Barack Sr ??? Ummm, he is nowhere to be found. Gee, you think he might want to be with his wife when is baby is born.
Now, if I told my wife I was going to go to be living in Kenya right before our baby was born, she would pop a cork. So maybe that is what Stanley Dunham did. She followed the to-be father to Kenya. Unfortunately, she was near term and she couldn’t get back to the USA so she had no choice but to have the baby right there in the manger surrounded by the family, the family goat, the family donkey, and three wise Kenyan warlords. (The manger has now been converted to a shrine to commemorate the event.)
Yessirree. Its pretty obvious what’s going on. Obama is being BLACKMAILED by the Clintons. The Hildabeast has some really good DIRT on the MESSIAH. I am thinking she has either a copy of his true birth certificate and/or something about his past, something that would be so revolting that his most ardent followers would abandon him. Whatever she has in her lockbox, it must be good. Ever wonder why the Hildabeast smiles every time she whispers into Obama’s ear? Ever wonder why the Obama cabinet looks the 2nd coming of the Clintons? Now we have the answer.
The MSM and the Washington political machine, through a whisper campaign organized by the Clintonites, have been told not to talk about the birth certificate issue. True to their allegiences (and out of sheer fright of the Clinton Machine) the MSM are keeping mum.
BP2 Kudos for doing the job that the MSM won’t do. Once this issue gets legs, people like you deserve the credit.
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