Posted on 11/27/2008 5:25:52 PM PST by ckilmer
Which talk show hosts have covered this, at all? Which in some detail.
The only one I remember hearing cover it was Lars Larson. It was not dismissive, it was words to the effect: “I have heard about it and would like to see it resolved, but don’t know enough to have an opinion...”
I think Glen Beck may have mentioned it?
I listen to a lot of Medved and Hewitt. I have not heard either discuss it.
Thanks for the ping. I’m not quite sure about this article. It says that the election process has been stayed, but that’s the first I’ve heard of it.
19 Nov 2008: U.S. Supreme Court Justice Thomas rules on Obama Citzenship case filed by Atty. Donofrio of NJ to “stay” the election process, i.e., stop “Electoral College” meetings until such time as the “natural born citizen” status is decided for ALL candidates on the ballot both Obama and McCain.
None of the radio shows i listen to have covered this in detail. i listen to Rush, Levin, Ingraham and sometimes hannity.
What I am saying is that even if they dont want to take a strident position as many of us here have done, it would at least behoove them to put it out there that he has been stonewalling the cases and has refused to exchange the BC.
That is no way for him to expect to ever gain any credibility with those of us who see right through his B.S.
This ‘non-story’ is oPres-elect Obama’s Achilles Heel.It will be his undoing
Governor Lingle only affirmed that Hawaii does hold his birth certificate. She did not affirm that Obama was born in Hawaii.
My thoughts exactly. Does anyone know if the State Department keep records of U.S. citizens traveling abroad? If they do, and Obama was actually born in Kenya, wouldn’t the State Department records show that Stanley Ann Dunham travelled to Kenya (either alone or with Obama, Sr.), and then returning to the U.S. with a child?
Can this information be obtained through a Freedom of Information request?
Inquiring minds want to know!
That would be necessary to determine the actual place of birth, however the Senate by the passage of Resolution 511 has actually made the presentation of such birth certificate unnecessary with its own official definition of "natural born", which according to the Senate, requires that the candidate for President be born of "American citizens" -- that's plural.
Both parents have to be American citizens for the candidate to be considered to be "natural born", according to the Senate in this Resolution. Obama fails the Senate's definition big time.
Will Harry Reid have to take a vote to rescind or amend Resolution 511 before a vote is taken on January 9th to accept the electoral votes??? This Resolution will be used against the Senate in perpetuity should it vote in January to accept any electoral votes for Barack Obama -- and they all know it. Their December will be one of great consternation.
Merry Christmas to them all --
No, it is not too much to ask, and my question was addressing the specific requirements that a bunch of internet petitioners have attached to the demand that they have made. Oh, well.
No, the election process hasn't been stayed - as of now. The "stay" refers to what attorney Donofrio is asking the SCOTUS to do in the current litigation.
I don't disagree with you at all, and that was not the purpose of my comment. I had to produce two documents to get my driver's license.
All of the folks that are screaming and pounding their keyboards assume that nobody has seen a certified copy of Obama's birth record. I happen to believe that it has been seen. I happen to believe (for the life of me I can't figure out why) that President Bush and our CIA, FBI and others have made sure that the man they are giving the world's security secrets to is entitled to receive same. It is extremely disturbing to think that they have been so reckless as to let this little detail pass them by.
The article states clearly:
Court Justice Thomas rules on Obama Citzenship case filed by Atty. Donofrio of NJ to “stay” the election process
Justice Thomas merely elected to distribute the case to all the SCOTUS judges for the December 5 SCOTUS conference. There has been no decision yet as to whether or not the SCOTUS will grant the stay requested by the plaintiff.
Then it looks like both of us have the same issue with this article spreading incorrect information.
Thanks, LucyT
Great thread!
Ping.
One can almost believe that there is only one political party masquerading as a two-party system. It answers why they are (seemingly) covering for each other.
Justa, your instincts are great but I disagree with you.
Even the President does not have the right to view Obama's birth certificate without a legal reason to do so. Can you imagine the outcry if the White House, FBI or CIA demanded that a Hawaiian government official (guaranteed to be a Democrat) produce his BC behind the scenes? The fact is, it HASN'T happened.
There are too many uneasy questions about this matter for me. His mother an airheaded white leftist, cavorting with a married black African and having a child with him. Remarrying an Indonesian and moving to Indonesia. Letting the stepfather enroll Obama in a madrassa using the Indonesian surname, and stating (this has been proven) that he was an Indonesian citizen. Rumors that Obama, while at Occidental college, claimed to be a foreign student and received financial aid reserved for foreign students -- he would've had to show evidence for this aid. Rumors that he traveled on an Indonesian passport while a young adult.
I can easily view his mother being PROUD that her son was not an American when she was a dumb young leftist, proud that his father and stepfather were non-white leftists from other countries, proud that he lived and was schooled in a non-Western school and country, proud that he had a non-American passport.
I can also view, from Obama's perspective, that he feels like a native-born American. He is not the lamebrain like his mother. Though a leftist, he believes he is a true-blue American. And in essence, he is. But that doesn't change the facts, if true, that he might not have been born in the USA, and that his parents might have deliberately changed his citizenship. All of which would make him Constitutionally ineligible, for life, to be President.
Thank you for your polite and thoughtful response. While it is true that there would be much screaming if someone had demanded the BC from officials behind the scenes, there are other ways. I am not prepared to state categorically that nobody has seen his birth certificate, and I really don't think that anybody here can do so with confidence.
With all of the questions that have been raised publicly, I simply find it incredible that some assurances have not been made by some means. If the intelligence officials and the Bush administration have been so stupid as to give national security secrets to an unqualified person and his staff, we have much larger problems than whether or not Obama is natural born. Our system of checks and balances will have already been compromised.
Perhaps you’re not old enough to remember Gary Aldrich and his book about the first couple years of the Clinton Administration. Aldrich was the FBI agent stationed at the White House, responsible for liaison with Quantico.
One of his first duties was to process security clearances for Clinton staff. Basically a very routine job. I have held clearances for over 20 years. What the FBI is looking for are markers that indicate one is bribable. Extremely high debts, living well beyond one’s means, drug use. [The old days of being homosexual, or a Communist, as a disqualifier are long gone.]
But virtually none of the Clintonites submitted their paperwork. Aldrich was shocked that any group of young people could be so brazen and disrespectful of the office. But Clinton, especially Hillary I think, deliberately defied the FBI.
Why? Many of them probably had leftist ties that wouldn’t have disqualified them, and many probably had extensive drug use in the past.
The issue is that neither Bill nor Hillary forced them to comply. Lending even more to their disrespect. And, as commander-in-chief, technically Bill can waive the clearance requirement for anyone he wants.
Aldrich also documented the other Clinton outrages that never got into the MSM, including Hillary throwing the coffee in the Marine’s face, Hillary throwing the ashtray at Bill, the young staffers running around in jeans, cutoffs, flip-flops, and basically having no respect for the traditions of the White House.
So the fact that Obama never had a background investigation, one that includes a validation of citizenship, does not surprise me.
Does that mean that the Bush administration has been acting just like the Clinton administration when it comes to security checks, because Bush has been in office the entire time that Obama has been in anything other than an Illinois state job?
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