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To: Free ThinkerNY
Why do they keep beating that dead horse?
Unless I misunderstand the law, his mother was a US citizen, so it doesn't matter where he was born.

Unless, of course, she renounced her citizenship, a possibility I have never seen mentioned.

16 posted on 11/21/2008 6:02:24 PM PST by Publius6961 (Change is not a plan; Hope is not a strategy.)
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To: Publius6961

If the constitution of the US is not worth defending against mob rule, then nothing is. If we wish to preserve the republic, than we had best let the chips fall, and then sort them out. By whatever means necessary.

We who value the constitution will not allow the moral emphasis of this argument to be inverted. All this speculation, correct or not; has come about because this lying crypto-marxist thug from the most corrupt environs of leftist Chicago sewer politics has ascended to POTUS-elect status with the willing aquiescence of the MSM. The MSM was hell-bent on concealing this usurper’s background because they wanted him to be elected. Now, in a classic case of blame the messenger, those of us who belive in the constitution are being reviled for insisting that a POTUS comply with a basic requirement that most of us unhesitatingly conform with when seeking a driver’s license.

The arrogance and effrontery of this lying bastid is breathtaking. The founders knew that they were not natural born citizens, so they had to include language in Art II Sec 1 that exempted THEM. Does this fraud think that he is better than Washington, Madison, Adams, and Jefferson in that sense? Apparently he does, and with the acquiesence of enough people, he will suceed in usurping and corrupting the Executive Branch of government. This situation presents the very real posssibility of impelling this great nation beyond a constitutional crisis toward a civil war.

Finally, consider the implications of a man who would undertake these devious machinations to knowingly assume an office that he has no constitutional claim to, and than to see this same counterfeit president elect take an oath to defend that constitution. I believe that such a man would be willing to impose ANY sort or despotism or tyranny upon us to retain power.


18 posted on 11/21/2008 6:03:43 PM PST by DMZFrank
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To: Publius6961

He perpetuated FRAUD by standing by a false document


20 posted on 11/21/2008 6:06:49 PM PST by dascallie
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To: Publius6961

You might want to ponder the question, “if there is nothing to hide, why is Obama spending so much money to hide something?”


21 posted on 11/21/2008 6:08:24 PM PST by CaribouCrossing
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To: Publius6961

“Unless I misunderstand the law, his mother was a US citizen, so it doesn’t matter where he was born.”

You do misunderstand the Constitution!


24 posted on 11/21/2008 6:21:19 PM PST by TNoldman (Conservative Values FOREVER!)
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To: Publius6961

yes and yes
IF he was born overseas, she was not 5 years older than her 14th birthday so he is an Alien that was the law in effect.

IF he was born in Hawaii, its possible she renounced his US citizenship by taking him to Indonesia where he was legally adopted.

He could not be a secret service agent or even own a gun if he renounced his citizenship via his mother.


26 posted on 11/21/2008 6:24:22 PM PST by omega4179 (Obama recession ends 1-20-13)
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To: Publius6961

If the constitution of the US is not worth defending against mob rule, then nothing is. If we wish to preserve the republic, than we had best let the chips fall, and then sort them out. By whatever means necessary.

We who value the constitution will not allow the moral emphasis of this argument to be inverted. All this speculation, correct or not; has come about because this lying crypto-marxist thug from the most corrupt environs of leftist Chicago sewer politics has ascended to POTUS-elect status with the willing aquiescence of the MSM. The MSM was hell-bent on concealing this usurper’s background because they wanted him to be elected. Now, in a classic case of blame the messenger, those of us who belive in the constitution are being reviled for insisting that a POTUS comply with a basic requirement that most of us unhesitatingly conform with when seeking a driver’s license.

The arrogance and effrontery of this lying bastid is breathtaking. The founders knew that they were not natural born citizens, so they had to include language in Art II Sec 1 that exempted THEM. Does this fraud think that he is better than Washington, Madison, Adams, and Jefferson in that sense? Apparently he does, and with the acquiesence of enough people, he will suceed in usurping and corrupting the Executive Branch of government. This situation presents the very real posssibility of impelling this great nation beyond a constitutional crisis toward a civil war.

Finally, consider the implications of a man who would undertake these devious machinations to knowingly assume an office that he has no constitutional claim to, and than to see this same counterfeit president elect take an oath to defend that constitution. I believe that such a man would be willing to impose ANY sort or despotism or tyranny upon us to retain power.


29 posted on 11/21/2008 6:35:10 PM PST by DMZFrank
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To: Publius6961
Unless I misunderstand the law, his mother was a US citizen, so it doesn't matter where he was born.

Got a news flash for you FRiend, unless 0bama was born on U.S. soil or U.S. territory, he is NOT eligible to serve as President, and if his mother were Betsy Ross or Kate Smith it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference.

Native born means "born on U.S. soil".
30 posted on 11/21/2008 6:35:35 PM PST by mkjessup (Thomas Jefferson was RIGHT about the need to water the Tree of Liberty, and with WHAT.)
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To: Publius6961

There are age and time in country requirements that were not met.


46 posted on 11/21/2008 7:32:16 PM PST by mcshot (Bitterly Loving God, Family, Life, Guns and our Constitution - as written!)
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To: Publius6961

***Why do they keep beating that dead horse?
Unless I misunderstand the law, his mother was a US citizen, so it doesn’t matter where he was born.***

Because the president has to be a “natural born citizen.” My mother was born in England, and became an American citizen when she moved here. She is a CITIZEN. She is not a NATURAL born citizen.


47 posted on 11/21/2008 7:35:39 PM PST by kitkat (THE DAY WE LOSE OUR WILL TO FIGHT Ilast THE DAY WE LOSE OUR FREEDOM.)
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To: Publius6961
Why do they keep beating that dead horse? Unless I misunderstand the law, his mother was a US citizen, so it doesn't matter where he was born.

I'm afraid you misunderstand the law. The POTUS must be a 'natural-born' citizen meaning he has to be born in the U.S. or other U.S. territory such as a U.S. military base, or U.S. embassy. The fact that 0bama will not show us the birth certificate that has been sealed in Hawaii tells me that something is very wrong with it.

59 posted on 11/21/2008 10:57:33 PM PST by Mogollon (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Publius6961
Why do they keep beating that dead horse? Unless I misunderstand the law, his mother was a US citizen, so it doesn't matter where he was born.

Unfortunately, you do not understand the law. It has been stated many times in these threads, so I am not going to repeat it. Obama and Democrats have intentionally put our Constitution in danger. If this isn't treason and unpatriotic, then what is?

75 posted on 11/22/2008 8:28:03 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (Join the Constitution Party)
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