Posted on 11/07/2008 6:47:37 PM PST by mnehring
This is interesting. Souter tells Obama to produce the vault copy by December 1, 2008. I believe the messiah will defy the Justices.
Who will force the issue? Who wants to open up that pandora's box? Imagine if there is something on that birth certificate that disqualifies Obama from the office of the President. What are you going to do? Start a civil war? There will be blood in the streets you try to enforce the rule of law. This should have happened before the election. Obambi knows it too.
Here is the fraud report first reported at Atlas.
The Supreme Court and Obama's Birth Certificate organicpeas
If The Supreme Court Decides…?
At this point, Supreme Court Justice David Souter's Clerk informed Philip J. Berg, the lawyer who brought the case against Obama, that his petition for an injunction to stay the November 4th election was denied, but the Clerk also required the defendants to respond to the Writ of Certiorari (which requires the concurrence of four Justices) by December 1. At that time, Mr. Obama must present to the Court an authentic birth certificate, after which Mr. Berg will respond.
If Obama fails to do that, it is sure to inspire the skepticism of the Justices, who are unaccustomed to being defied. They will have to decide what to do about a president-elect who refuses to prove his natural-born citizenship.
"I can see a unanimous Court (en banc) decertifying the election if Obama refuses to produce his birth certificate," says Raymond S. Kraft, an attorney and writer. "They cannot do otherwise without abandoning all credibility as guardians of the Constitution. Even the most liberal justices, however loathe they may to do this, still consider themselves guardians of the Constitution. The Court is very jealous of its power - even over presidents, even over presidents-elect."
Also remember that on December 13, the Electoral College meets to casts its votes. If it has been determined that Mr. Obama is an illegal alien and therefore ineligible to become President of the United States, the Electors will be duty-bound to honor the Constitution.
That's not how courts work; if a document is of great importance, they require the registrar of the document to appear in court to authenticate it.
Hi Dave, we are witnessing history here my FRiend.
Its hard to tell -
The fairest thing would be to hold a new election with certified candidates. But that would be extremely impractical and expensive.
Barring that, they would almost certainly have to toss the ineligible candidate and then the eligible candidate with the next highest vote total would be McCain. He would become POTUS.
The wildcard would be Biden.
If SCOTUS ruled that the entire Obama/Biden ticket was ineligible, then Biden would be out along with Obama and Palin would be in (in all scenarios).
If SCOTUS rule Bidens votes to be eligible, then he would probably be VP.
if a document is of great importance, they require the registrar of the document to appear in court to authenticate it.
***OK, so you are the registrar, and you just got visited by Obama himself and 3 of his henchmen who had some unnerving things to say about your daughter’s route to school in the mornings. But on the positive side, they say they’re very happen to leave this $5M on the table as long as you publicly say that you’ve seen the original and will testify what we want.
What do you do? Most people take the money.
I think that we all know that “the fairest thing” is also the remotest thing, all the time.
Wow! you’re even more cynical than me ;o)
I used to think all those crazy stories about how Clintoon treated women were just that: crazy. And these crazy stories about zerObama will be in the same category until there’s a recording and a DNA sample. I never thought this Birth Certificate thing would get this far. It’s a sign that something WAS wrong, but I suspect the fix is in.
Problem is that not all list the VP onthe ballot. The vote for the top of the ticket and the VP just comes along like baggage. We now have both listed on the IN ballot, but it hasn’t always been that way. SO, while BO was elected, Biden just may not have enough votes.
I heard that he is going back to Hawaii for a memorial for Granny soon. I don’t think she has been buried yet. Probably in a freezer somewhere. We have to research this. This is way too strange. The whole thing stinks to high heaven.
I posted this on another thread … I thought it might be appropriate to post here. It is lengthy – forgive me, but sometimes it is better to re-post rather than just give the URL.
First, a comment about SCOTUS …
I believe that SCOTUS takes the Constitution seriously, no matter how they decide - they are appointed for life and consider themselves the safeguards against tyranny.
Just look to Brown v. Board of Education that was 9-0 (we now know that 4 southern SCOTUS had wanted to dissent for fear of reprisals), Gideon v. Wainwright (right to counsel), Miranda (rights need to be read), Roe v. Wade (abortion), United States v. Nixon that was 8-0, with Rehnquist not participating (executive privilege), and Bush v. Gore that was 7-2, with libs Breyer and Souter joining majority (equal protection).
In the absence of any concrete law concerning verification of eligibility, I think SCOTUS will rely on the Constitution and the concept of “original intent”.
I also think that they will rely on common sense. Justice Potter Stewart once tried to explain hard-core pornography, or what is obscene, by saying, “I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced - but I know it when I see it.
Anyway, this is the way I read the issues and the way it could come down …
This could get ugly – quickly.
SCOTUS could TOTALLY IGNORE the issue and refuse to hear the case, citing lack of standing, but I think that they won’t. If they ignore this, then they might as well throw the Constitution out the window. It wouldn’t be worth the paper its written on. Anyone could then thumb their nose at the Constitution. I think they have to hear the case and demand the birth certificate.
Assuming Obama is found ineligible:
1. If BEFORE the Electoral College meets, McCain’s electors from all States would be seated (since Obama would not have been qualified) and the vote would be 538-0 (Article II, Section 1, Paragraph 3). This would happen because Obama would not have been qualified to run in the first place. Biden would be VP since the 12th Amendment provides for the separate election of POTUS and the VP. Biden would be eligible and his electors would elect him. Thus, a McCain/Biden term.
2. If AFTER the Electoral College meets and certifies him, but BEFORE inauguration, the 20th Amendment provides that, if before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, the President-Elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President-Elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified. The same scenario as in (2), above, would then likely apply.
3. If AFTER inauguration, the 25th Amendment would apply and Biden would be President and choose his VP (with Senate confirmation). However, McCain might be able to sue – based on fraud and demand that the scenario provided in (2), above, be applied. Or, barring that, a new election.
4. Of course, SCOTUS could decide to avoid (1), (2), and (3), above, by declaring a fraudulent election and ordering a new one with verified eligible candidates. This would necessitate the implementation of Continuity Of Government laws – allowing Bush to remain POTUS until the election. Probably with the caveat that no new laws be passed in the interim.
5. Here is another wrinkle … the Immigration Control and Reform Act of 1986 (IRCA) mandates employment eligibility verification. POTUS is a federal job and ALL federal jobs require this. Who would do it – I don’t know. Hopefully, the Electoral College. If SCOTUS does not require verification (in this case, including natural born status), then it would set a precedent in violating the law.
If no verification is done, then (I suspect) any employer recently fined and/or convicted for using illegal workers would have immediate grounds for dismissal on the grounds of 14th Amendment Equal Protection and discrimination violations – WHAT A MESS!
I agree - it is a problem - the VP on some ballots, not on others ...
These are uncharted waters - infested with sharks and mines ...
We could see riots against the supreme court. That’s basically the definition of a civil war.
My read on the supremes is that they’re a bunch of wusses. They’ll throw it out. It is, after all, a messed up lawsuit that cites internet sources and Techdude the Impersonator. That’s where they will hang their hat. If I were a wuss in their shoes, that’s where I’d hang my hat.
I forgot to mention in my lengthy post that if Biden was found ineligible because SCOTUS rules the ENTIRE Obama/Biden ticket ineligible, then Palin would likely be VP.
We might have martial law and military forces in place for a few weeks, but thats about it.
Once cooler heads prevailed, it would quiet down.
The people would begin to realize that a fraud had been perpetrated on the Constitution and the anger would shift towards Obama and the DNC - THEY KNEW !!!
Thats why I can't help but think that Bill and Hill might have had a hand in leaking surrepticiously this in the first place to the right people.
If Obama is declared ineligible, Bill and Hill can ride in on the white horses after an appropriate period of time to claim the mantle of the Dems and she can then run in 2012.
“Are we in an alternative universe?
When do we go back?”
Alternate universe, twilight zone, insane asylum....it ain’t good and I don’t think we can go back for a long, long time...if ever.
I probably sound like a broken record by now...but, be that as it may, I’ll repeat myself. ;) OBAMA would NEVER conceal his birth certificate UNLESS he had SOMETHING to HIDE. He has been groomed for years for his run for president (just my opinion), and as we have seen through the campaign, he’s willing to throw anyone and everyone under his “bus” in order to gain the presidency.
He has to be laughing his butt off about this birth certificate business. No one in the MSM dug into this issue the way they dug into Joe the Plumber. Not one.
Anyhow, just bumping this thread in hopes that everyone keeps on sending e-mails, making phone calls, and demanding that Obama show his birth certificate before he is inaugurated.
“the false messiah” cannot produce the proof of eligibility to become POTUS.
If he could have he would have done so already.
He cannot produce a iron clad forgery because of Hawaii's sequential numbering system for BC’s.
He cannot find a registration number to use that will line up with other real babies born on that date.
If he could, he would have produced it and forwarded it to the courts to end these court cases.
Bottom line is he can't prove it.
I am repeating myself to keep this thread bumped.
Praying for sanity in the Supreme Court.
So we could get a McCain/Biden ticket? (sounds like a dream ticket for McAmnesty actually).
I don’t get why Biden wouldn’t just become president. If this was done after they were sworn in, would Biden become the president then?
Fascinating, Lmo56.
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