Posted on 11/05/2008 6:46:18 AM PST by Liz
I was less skeptical of the polls than many here but I never believed conservatives were voting for Obama like the polls said...10-20%
well, at least folks who called themselves conservative did just that and almost all of them white professional class
does anyone have exit poll figures on white married women?
i bet they went Obama too.
simply amazing
No argument there. I've often thought that McCain would have been a Democrat from the get-go if he weren't trying to get elected in Reagan-era Arizona. Remember the "Keating-5" was 4 Dems plus Mac!
I just think that between Obama (negative), Palin (positive) & the lack of a viable alternative (Bob Barr?), the conservative 'base' was sufficiently motivated to vote McCain (while holding one's nose). I just think that my logic (best guess?) & anecdotal evidence will have to suffice until the election post-mortems are complete & my suspicions are confirmed (or proven wrong).
I'm willing to be proven wrong, btw. I don't want to repeat any mistakes, and I'm sure that you don't either.
Bartender in "Decision at Sundown" Randolph Scott Western to the ranch owner.
That was best explanation for what I think today.
I couldn’t agree more.
Rodney King Conservatives.
I have one son in the Navy, he will not reenlist next year. My almost 18 year old has planned for YEARS to go into the Marines. I laid down the law last night and told him there is no way I will let you do this while this piece of feces is in charge.
He actually understands because he’s been brought up as a Rush baby.
The question is how does this translate into governance. Our founders also did not trust “joe bag o donuts”. That why they gave us a republic. The hoped that moral men would vote their self interest. The Senate, House, Judiciary, Executive branch were all designed to slow progress. The constitution was written to ensure that joe bag o donuts could not create a tyranny of the majority. The whole idea was to ensure that the government stayed out of your hair. Has not worked out though because most people are way to concerned with controlling the behavior of there neighbor. They want the government to smooth away stuff that irritates them about their neighbor at the point of a spear.
So politically, we need a nihilist to uproot the institutions of federalism as we know it today.
The Constitution Party is the ONLY party left that will adhere to the constitution for the United States.
The Constitution Party is the ONLY party that will get rid of all unconstitutional agencies in this country.
The Constitution Party is the ONLY party that has the ba*ls to speak out against the UN and the NWO.
The Constitution Party is the ONLY party (except Ross Perot) to inform the American people of the evil of NAFTA, GATT, WTO etc.
The Constitution Party is the ONLY party that states it'll repeal the 16th Amendment and rid these united states of one of the biggest terrorist organization this country and the world has ever seen.
The Constitution Party is the ONLY party that will return us to a sound monetary system.
The Constitution Party is the ONLY party that will get rid of the UN-Federal Reserve that creates money (fiat currency) out of thin air.
The Constitution Party is the ONLY party that believes in our right to keep and bare arms.
The Constitution Party is the ONLY party that will put America first.
All those (whether republican or democrat) who vote strictly party politics are fools. They can't see the forest for the trees.
ADOPTED AT CHICAGO, 1860
Resolved, That we, the delegated representatives of the Republican electors of the United States, in Convention assembled, in discharge of the duty we owe to our constituents and our country, unite in the following declarations:
2. That the maintenance of the principles promulgated in the Declaration of Independence and embodied in the Federal Constitution, "That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed," is essential to the preservation of our Republican institutions ; and that the Federal Constitution, the Rights of the States, and the Union of the States, must and shall be preserved. [Emphasis mine]
3. That to the Union of the States this nation owes its unprecedented increase in population, its surprising development of material resources, its rapid augmentation of wealth, its happiness at home and its honor abroad; and we hold in abhorrence all schemes for Disunion , come from whatever source they may: And we congratulate the country that no Republican member of Congress has uttered or countenanced the threats of Disunion so often made by Democratic members without rebuke and with applause from their political associates; and we denounce those threats of Disunion, in case of a popular overthrow of their ascendency, as denying the vital principles of a free government, and as an avowal of contemplated treason, which it is the imperative duty of an indignant People sternly to rebuke and forever silence.
4. That the maintenance inviolate of the rights of the States, and especially the right of each State to order and control its own domestic institutions according to its own judgment exclusively , is essential to that balance of powers on which the perfection and endurance of our political fabric depends; and we denounce the lawless invasion by armed force of the soil of any State or Territory, no matter under what pretext, as among the gravest of crimes. [Emphasis mine]
5. That the present Democratic Administration has far exceeded our worst apprehensions, in its measureless subserviency to the exactions of a sectional interest, as especially evinced in its desperate exertions to force the infamous Lecompton Constitution upon the protesting people of Kansas; in construing the personal relation between master and servant to involve an unqualified property in persons; in its attempted enforcement, everywhere, on land and sea, through the intervention of Congress and of the Federal Courts of the extreme pretensions of a purely local interest; and in its general and unvarying abuse of the power intrusted to it by a confiding people.
6. That the people justly view with alarm the reckless extravagance which pervades every department of the Federal Government; that a return to rigid economy and accountability is indispensable to arrest the systematic plunder of the public treasury by favored partisans, while the recent startling developments of frauds and corruptions at the Federal metropolis, show that an entire change of administration is imperatively demanded.
7. That the new dogma, that the Constitution, of its own force, carries Slavery into any or all of the Territories of the United States, is a dangerous political heresy, at variance with the explicit provisions of that instrument itself, with contemporaneous exposition, and with legislative and judicial precedent; is revolutionary in its tendency, and subversive of the peace and harmony of the country.
8. That the normal condition of all the territory of the United States is that of freedom; That as our Republican fathers, when they had abolished Slavery in all our national territory, ordained that "no person should be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law," it becomes our duty, by legislation, whenever such legislation is necessary, to maintain this provision of the Constitution against all attempts to violate it; and we deny the authority of Congress, of a territorial legislature, or of any individuals, to give legal existence to Slavery in any Territory of the United States.
9. That we brand the recent re-opening of the African slave-trade, under the cover of our national flag, aided by perversions of judicial power, as a crime against humanity and a burning shame to our country and age; and we call upon Congress to take prompt and efficient measures for the total and final suppression of that execrable traffic.
10. That in the recent vetoes, by their Federal Governors, of the acts of the Legislatures of Kansas and Nebraska, prohibiting Slavery in those Territories, we find a practical illustration of the boasted Democratic principle of Non- Intervention and Popular Sovereignty, embodied in the Kansas-Nebraska bill, and a demonstration of the deception and fraud involved therein.
11. That Kansas should, of right, be immediately admitted as a State under the Constitution recently formed and adopted by her people, and accepted by the House of Representatives.
12. That, while providing revenue for the support of the General Government by duties upon imports, sound policy requires such an adjustment of these imposts as to encourage the development of the industrial interest of the whole country; and we commend that policy of national exchanges which secures to the working men liberal wages, to agriculture renumerative prices, to mechanics and manufactures an adequate reward for their skill, labor, and enterprise, and to the nation commercial prosperity and independence.
13. That we protest against any sale or alienation to others of the Public Lands held by actual settlers, and against any view of he Homestead policy which regards the settlers as paupers or suppliants for public bounty; and we demand the passage by Congress of the complete and satisfactory Homestead measure which has already passed the House.
14. That the Republican party is opposed to any change in our Naturalization Laws or any State legislation by which the rights of citizenship hitherto accorded to immigrants from foreign lands shall be abridged or impaired; and in favor of giving a full and efficient protection to the rights of all classes of citizens, whether native or naturalized, both at home and abroad. [Emphasis mine]
15. That appropriations by Congress for River and Harbor improvements of a National character, required for the accommodation and security of an existing commerce, are authorized by the Constitution, and justified by the obligations of Government to protect the lives and property of its citizens. [Emphasis mine]
16. That a Railroad to the Pacific Ocean is imperatively demanded by the interest of the whole country; that the Federal Government ought to render immediate and efficient aid in its construction; and that, as preliminary thereto, a daily Overland Mail should be promptly established.
17. Finally, having thus set forth our distinctive principles and views, we invite the cooperation of all citizens, however differing on other questions, who substantially agree with us in their affirmation and support.
The Republican party has strayed so far away from their own platform for so long. The republican party of the last 50+ years doesn’t resemble anything like the republican party of the 19th and early 20th century.
This country started down this path when women got the vote. It was inevitable that we would reach this place.
Nice insight----explains why McC was always reaching across the aisle to hold hands with Dems. Which really unnerved conservatives.
PS: I Remember the "Keating-5" was 4 Dems plus Mac!
And I'm buying more weapons and ammo asap.
(I voted for Sarah Palin, not McCain)
Shelby Steele has an article on how white guilt did some of this...i agree
we need to recapture the white vote, forget blacks and latinos
It aint just the sweater decorations that are voting irrationally, and as contraindication my wife and my mother vote principled constitutional conservatism. My Mother taught me basic principles of limited constitutional government, and I taught my wife the same thing (and a few other less high minded stuff as well). I know lots of dudes that encourage seat belts laws because “it’s worth it if it saves one life”... etc...
I applaud you for recognizing that.
Democrats have always been communists. Only now they’re more open about it. Liberalism is nothing more than a fancy word for communism.
Its time to return to our constitutional representative republic.
FDR almost completely destroyed our republic years ago and replaced it with a legislative democracy.
Every president since that time has been working within a broken system.
This is also the reason our forefathers created a constitutional representative republic and loathed a democracy.
Thomas Jefferson said it best:
Its time for all republicans to recognize what you have.
I work as a mechanic and when I have a problem fixing an automobile, I get out the repair manual. Its time to get out the repair manual for our country, the Constitution for the United States. Its time to return to the constitutional principles in which this country was built.
Its time for the Constitution Party
I applaud other republicans for trying to save the ship of republicanism, but there are too many holes to plug up. The bilge pump of the republicans can't keep up with all the holes the democrats worms keep boring into the hull. It can't keep up.
Its time to depart from a sinking ship that is falling apart all around us by all the infiltrators that are pouring into it and rotting it from within. Its time to build a stronger ship held together not by a material that will rot and fail.
Its time to build a ship from a material that can withstand the test of time and hold the ship together forever. That material has been and always will be the Constitution for the United States.
Any other material is worthless and dangerous.
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