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Tell this Poster why he's wrong: (Vanity) McCain will lose
Self | 11/3/08 | Stingray

Posted on 11/04/2008 1:55:06 AM PST by Stingray

Yes, I'm afraid after all the hope poured out onto these pages, John McCain will lose. There are at least two very important reasons for this (and they have nothing to do with media bias).

The first is - simply put - that McCain ran a lousy campaign. There was no focus on any one particular message that resounded with voters until Joe The Plumber came along (too little too late?) despite the fact that Obama's own voting record in the Senate said at least as much about his plans to "tax and spend" this country into bankruptcy faster than any president before him!

Why McCain was so hesitant to call Obama out on his liberal views is simple: McCain shares many of them! McCain believes - like Gore and Obama - that unless we do something about co2 pollution, we're doomed to suffer the ravages of global warming! In fact, McCain has often stated the need for tighter legislation aimed at curbing greenhouse gases, and has voted for those that have come before the Senate! Nevermind the fact that anthropogenic global warming is "junk science", McCain has bought into it and that is just one area where his "Maverick" stance in the Senate has actually put him on the side of the most liberal senator there is!

There are other issues that were taken out of the McCain playbook because of his record and past indiscretions in the Senate. Can't raise Obama's associations with Wright, Ayers, Khalidi et al without having to defend himself from his disastrous association with Charles Keating. Is it any wonder McCain didn't want to touch Obama's associations with a ten-foot pole?

McCain can't bash Obama for wanting to "bankrupt" coal companies, when his own plan to convert the country to natural gas (for the same green purposes as Obama) would've had roughly the same effect! Yet another issue taken off McCain's plate.

And how can you decry Obama's "socialism" when they both voted for the biggest socialist bailout of investment banks the world has ever seen? McCain's vote for socialism at that level is no less aggregious than Obama's desire to "spread the wealth", and is especially vexing in light of the fact that the bailout legislation doesn't solve the underlying causes of the latest finacial meltdown in the first place!

So you can't attack Obama for being "green", for his past associations, and for his socialism because of McCain's "glass house" record on these issues.

So what's left?

Let's see: you start to make promises to the American people that make Obama's sound downright fiscally conservative! In a race to see who could give away more of the store, McCain and Obama were running neck-and-neck. Remember McCain's promise to tap 300 billion dollars of the bailout money to help homeowners stave off foreclosure??? Obama had been promising something similar for weeks ahead of McCain finally chiming in on the great taxpayer gravy train!

Tax cuts? Both were promising them. I cringed whenver I heard McCain start to talk like a fiscal policy wonk. It literally made me change the channel!

And please, John, the fundamentals of the economy were NOT sound when you made such a ridiculous statement at a time when foreclosures and bank failures were starting to mount! How can anyone seriously criticize Obama and Biden for their gaffes, when McCain provided the greatest bulleting board material of all time?

To this day, McCain continues to resort to the only trump card he has: his military service. While not enough can be said about his sacrifice for this country, most people - who just want to see us get out of Iraq and Afghanistan - don't want to see the same things, or worse, happen to their kids or friends. His greatest positive was a reminder to people of the brutality of war and why - depsite the fact he's the best qualified to be Commander-in-Chief - they don't want to be in one.

The second reason is, simply put, most Americans want change and feel - somehow - that Obama is the best one to bring about that change. Nevermind that "change" is a word completely devoid of any meaning without context, people want it. Obama's use of the word in making it the cornerstone of his campaign simply illustrates - again - how he was able to tap into this desire and play it consistently for all it was worth. McCain never had anything remotely resembling a message like this he could stick to through this campaign.

On a closing, personal note, I find two of the McCain campaign's most glaring errors revolved around their public announcement to pull out of Michigan, and the way they fed Sarah Palin to the wolves (the Couric and Gibson interviews).

On Michigan: even if you can't justify the expense of making another trip to the state, you have to keep in mind that you have coattails upon which other candidates are riding. The worst thing to do is tell the press you're pulling out of a state like Michigan weeks before the election! Pull out if you must, but keep your freaking mouth shut about it! McCain's decision to pull out early, and announce it to the world, has screwed a number of GOP congressional candidates, leaving them to fend for themselves, where they are being outspent by a large margin!

On Palin: the biggest mistake the campaign made in letting her do those post-convention interviews was that she simply was not ready for the kind of sleezy "gotcha!" questions she would have to field from people who were clearly in Obama's back pocket! They were going to go for the throat on her (never intending to ask Obama what qualified him to be president!). The final insult of those interviews was to reduce her to a punchline on Saturday Night Live, a show which mercilessly lampooned her even when she was there! She was clearly not ready for the kind of campaigns on the national stage that gets run down here in the lower 48, and it showed. She could've been a tremendous asset if handled properly. Instead, she became a national joke, undeserving as it was. I blame the McCain campaign for that.

So gear up for 2012 all. We're simply going to have to field a much better candidate then.


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: 2008; 2010; 2012; campaign; defeatist; election; mccain; mccaintruthfile; obama; obamacon; palin; rino; sarahpalin
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To: Keep_Virginia_Red

Well, this Virginian is going to be out the door shortly to vote McCain!


41 posted on 11/04/2008 2:23:23 AM PST by DooDahhhh (AMEN)
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To: Stingray

Save it for tomorrow.


42 posted on 11/04/2008 2:25:32 AM PST by alnick
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To: Stingray

McCain will win in spite of loser posters like you.


43 posted on 11/04/2008 2:25:35 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Thanks. I’ve been a longtime lurker (since around 2002 on and off and was totally glued in 2004) but now I hope to contribute back to the community that kept me sane through the roller coasters we were faced with the last several years. :-)


44 posted on 11/04/2008 2:25:46 AM PST by Mr Greg
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To: Stingray

Mods, this troll needs a good zotting. We don’t need any of this anti-Republican spew around here today.


45 posted on 11/04/2008 2:26:21 AM PST by robert david (Any criticism of John McCain is tacit support for Barack Obama.)
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To: Stingray

Yes, McCain ran a rotten campaign... but this isn’t the time for recriminations.

Some of us still dare to hope.


46 posted on 11/04/2008 2:26:41 AM PST by Chet 99 (Vote McCain/Palin, or this will be our future: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTb5EFZmgbs)
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To: Stingray


47 posted on 11/04/2008 2:26:47 AM PST by 09Patriot (I am a MILITANT Conservative, compassionate conservativism got us NOWHERE)
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To: Stingray

I will be voting Mccain, but I liked Rudy. He woulda fought harder. Mccain didn’t attack Obama enough and he coulda had great ads, because there was so much ammo to work with. The mccain campaign was out to lunch IMO.


48 posted on 11/04/2008 2:27:10 AM PST by snowstorm12
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To: Stingray

49 posted on 11/04/2008 2:29:26 AM PST by A. Morgan (VOTE FOR Obama N' we'll be up to our necks in TAXES and OUTA' GAS for years!)
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To: Stingray

It’s irrelevant predicting who will win or lose since they are both socialists.


50 posted on 11/04/2008 2:30:46 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: Baladas

I hope we find a leader and actually are brought to revolution if this Terrorist’s best friend wins. When enough of us would rather fight and die than live under what we could become, a revolution is born.

Seriously, revolutions happen. Do people think “well, that’s it, there will be no more revolutions ever again” in history? Wait until the hordes of muslims are encouraged by Hussein’s victory and start pouring into America, destroying us like they did to Europe. Sceptical? Take a visit over there and let me know what you think. It’s literally too late for Europe, we have a chance today, once chance. VOTE.

The main reason I’ll be willing to fight is because the Media finally went too far and became Orwellian. A little keft leaning bias before was tolerable and beatable but this has become sickening.

Tactics: Maybe we’ll have to do what others do in their countries...I can’t metion it here but on an “unrealted” note I was reading about Kamikaze pilots in WW2. I don’t advocate violence in any way (stifled laughter).


51 posted on 11/04/2008 2:31:34 AM PST by toddausauras
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To: snowstorm12

I finally saw an anti-Obama ad by the McCain campaign last night. It was an attack on Obama and Rev. Wright. That ad and others should have been playing over and over for the last week or two instead of the night before the election.


52 posted on 11/04/2008 2:32:38 AM PST by Melinda in TN
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To: toddausauras

typo “left” leaning.


53 posted on 11/04/2008 2:32:56 AM PST by toddausauras
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To: Man50D
It’s irrelevant predicting who will win or lose since they are both socialists.

+1

54 posted on 11/04/2008 2:34:10 AM PST by 09Patriot (I am a MILITANT Conservative, compassionate conservativism got us NOWHERE)
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To: Stingray

Your basic argument is Obama and McCain are the same.

That argument is stupid, ignorant, ill-timed, inflammatory, absurd on it’s face, laughable and a servant of evil.


55 posted on 11/04/2008 2:36:21 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Man50D

“It’s irrelevant predicting who will win or lose since they are both socialists.”

As a friend of mine put it, “would you rather crawl to socialism or careen towards it?”


56 posted on 11/04/2008 2:36:55 AM PST by Stingray ("Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.")
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To: Stingray

Well, I still think that McCain will win! Just go to vote! I did vote more than a week ago by mail.


57 posted on 11/04/2008 2:37:57 AM PST by OneHun
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To: Stingray; P-Marlowe

If McCain loses it will be because so-called conservatives were busy pissing and moaning because their personal little ideal worldview wasn’t followed 100%. In response, they bashed everyone who wasn’t perfect in their own eyes.

They never came together...a bunch of ego-centric, selfish, “me-first”ers.

They wrote defeatist articles and posted them EVEN before the votes were CAST.

Amazing!


58 posted on 11/04/2008 2:39:04 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: Dog; Stingray
Nice try...you’re wrong.

Well done...you're right. Very lucid analysis. What was McCain's 300 million giveaway if not 'spreading the wealth around'?

59 posted on 11/04/2008 2:39:12 AM PST by Swordfished
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To: Stingray
The worst thing to do is tell the press you're pulling out of a state like Michigan weeks before the election!

Posting, "Vanity: McCain will lose (and will have no one to blame but himself)" on Election day is better?

60 posted on 11/04/2008 2:39:30 AM PST by loboinok (Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
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