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L.A. Times: How Democrats Set Sarah Palin Up to 'Win' Thursday's VP Debate
The Patriot Room ^ | September 29, 2008 | Bill Dupray

Posted on 09/29/2008 7:33:28 AM PDT by Bill Dupray

Thursday night's Vice-Presidential debate pits a first term governor against a 35-year veteran of the Senate, who is a foreign policy expert to boot. That lowers expectations for Sarah Palin all by itself. But then the Democrats (with the help of some Republicans), may have lowered them even more. Did the GOP do a rope-a-dope? From the L.A. Times.

But have Palin's Democratic opponents overplayed their hand in portraying the 44-year-old mother of five so derisively in recent days?

Was John McCain manager Steve Schmidt's puzzingly strong attack on the New York Times last week really a trap, an intentional bid to call even more attention to negative coverage of Palin to lower expectations? . . .

The upcoming downside for the Obama-Biden campaign is that its supporters became so flustered over Palin's surprisingly explosive popularity coming out of the GOP convention. They have so successfully mocked, derided and lowered expectations for Palin in Thursday night's VP debate that if she doesn't drool or speak in tongues, many millions still open to persuasion will be impressed.

Al Gore's campaign made the exact same mistake going into the 2000 debates. So all Texas Gov. George W. Bush had to do was not lose.

In that sense Democrats may have played right into a PR cul-de-sac. Biden, for instance, described Palin as merely better-looking than him. A far better communications strategy would have been to insincerely portray Palin with superlatives as a superwoman, make it harder, not easy, for her to impress. Too late now.

It is significant that the debate will be televised live. . . .

(Excerpt) Read more at patriotroom.com ...


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: debate; joebiden; sarahpalin; underestimate
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To: Corin Stormhands
I suspect this debate will pull the largest audience.

Me too. And I'm sure she'll do well. The question is, will the victory be decisive enough to penetrate the media's fogbank of spin?

It's an important question, because millions of lives hang in the balance.

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21 posted on 09/29/2008 8:33:01 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: xzins

Palin just needs to show up, look stunning, respond with assertiveness and calm, and she’ll be fine. She should be ready to shine on energy and fiscal/tax issues.

Let the MSM keep demonizing her. They are only hurting BO in critical swing states when McCain lets her loose, particularly in PA, OH, WI, MI etc.


22 posted on 09/29/2008 8:33:24 AM PDT by mwl8787
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
She’s gonna BBQ Joe Biden. Live, on national TV.

and what if she doesn't? what if she does a decent job, and he does a decent job? what if she holds her own but doesn't hit it out of the park? she loses... and much of the reason is that our side has been making comments like, "she's gonna wipe the floor with Joe Biden." we have set her up if she doesn't do a STELLAR job...

23 posted on 09/29/2008 8:36:18 AM PDT by latina4dubya (self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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To: Bill Dupray

There is a phrase we used to use about “some” programmers back in my old mainframe COBOL days. It goes something like this: Yeah, Joe has ten years of experience, but it is really just the same year done ten times.

Joe Biden is not a very smart man. I don’t care if he is a 50 year veteran of foreign affairs. Any “smart” student of foreign affairs with a few years of simply reading history and current events could blow his socks off. Also, this is easily teachable rote knowledge. Sarah can be brought up to speed pretty quickly. She has proven to be smart.

And lest we forget, she is not a 21 year old Barbie.


24 posted on 09/29/2008 8:37:04 AM PDT by RobRoy (This is comical)
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To: HamiltonJay
Palin doesn’t need to shine, she just need to perform.

unfortunatley, she does need to shine... holding her own will not be enough... our side has been talking about how she's gonna kick butt in the debates... even one of my friends, who does not follow politics all that closely, made the comment, "i keep hearing how she's gonna wipe the floor with that Biden guy."

i believe she can wipe the floor with Biden... she was fantastic at the convention... i am hoping and praying...

25 posted on 09/29/2008 8:40:19 AM PDT by latina4dubya (self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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To: mwl8787

Got it. I think Gov. Palin will do much better than Dan Quayle, although, I think the media skewered him too.

BTW, in defense of Dan’s spelling, I also learned that potato could be spelled optionally with an “e” at the end while in Ms. Pruitt’s third-grade class at K. I. Sawyer AFB, Gwinn, Michigan. It’s a very distinct memory of my elementary learning, and I have others just as vivid.

I’m a tad younger than Dan, so I imagine he learned it in much the same way.


26 posted on 09/29/2008 8:45:47 AM PDT by Heart of Georgia (McCain/Palin '08)
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To: cw35
I don’t know where these low expectations come from other than from Saturday Night Live.

Which is where the majority of Americans get their political information.

27 posted on 09/29/2008 8:46:37 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("One man's 'magic' is another man's engineering. 'Supernatural' is a null word." -- Robert Heinlein)
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To: latina4dubya

Nope, she doesn’t need to shine, she only needs to perform. If the “redneck” doesn’t get her butt handed to her by this “old statesman” the old statesman loses.

That’s political reality.

The other political realities are these, Biden’s a Gaffe machine, he speaks in big words that no one but lawyers use, and if you let him speak enough he invariable ties himself in knots.

Palin need only perform, she doesn’t need to shine. If she does all the better, but she doesn’t need to.

The other political reality is that VP Debates have little bearing at all on election results.


28 posted on 09/29/2008 8:47:25 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Bill Dupray

Depends upon who shows up Thursday. If the “McCain” Palin shows up, she’s toast. If the conservative Gov. of Alaska shows up, she wins.


29 posted on 09/29/2008 8:47:43 AM PDT by gotribe (The right pick!)
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To: xzins
In short, Sarah Palin doesn't have a chance on Thursday nigh except with her supporters and some open-minded independents.

Forget the spin. The bottomline is what is the gut feeling of those that see the debate themselves live and some that watch a recorded version in it's entirety. It's called going over the head of the media. True independents are the target and many know dishonest spin when they see it.

30 posted on 09/29/2008 8:57:32 AM PDT by torchthemummy (Barack "Pock-eeh-ston" Obama)
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To: Bill Dupray
If Sarah Palin talks more effectively and faster than Biden does, that probably would be half the battle right there. Wasn't one reason JFK was supposed to be an effective speaker was that he could talk at up to about 300 words per minute?

Besides doing the best she can debating Biden on the issues, Sarah Palin hopefully will not forget to come up along side Hussein 0bama's & the Democrat Congress' lying hypocritical heads with some memorable verbal two-by-fours regarding his lack of executive experience, the subprime budget crisis and the 'Rat Congress's overall worthlessness as legislators, and how this feckless Congress would work very poorly for the USA when coupled with Hussein 0bama's lack of experience and narcissism.

It's a tall order, but she's shown herself more than up to the tasks she's been presented with so far.

31 posted on 09/29/2008 9:01:07 AM PDT by Post Toasties (It's not a smear if it's true.)
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To: xzins
In short, Sarah Palin doesn't have a chance on Thursday nigh except with her supporters and some open-minded independents.

Forget the spin. The bottomline is what is the gut feeling of those that see the debate themselves live and some that watch a recorded version in it's entirety. It's called going over the head of the media. True independents are the target and many know dishonest spin when they see it.

32 posted on 09/29/2008 9:05:30 AM PDT by torchthemummy (Barack "Pock-eeh-ston" Obama)
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To: torchthemummy

I agree that spin is the issue. Half+ of America said that Obama won the Friday debate. He didn’t.

But, that’s what was reported.

1st they spin on their newscasts that X is the case.

2nd they poll to see what is the case and X is one of the responses.

3rd, they report on their newscast that their poll says X is the case.


33 posted on 09/29/2008 9:18:51 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain Opposing -> ZerObama: zero executive, military, or international experience)
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To: Bill Dupray

They set her up to win by putting up Biden as a VP.


34 posted on 09/29/2008 9:21:54 AM PDT by meyer (Go, Sarah, Go!!)
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To: Bill Dupray
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35 posted on 09/29/2008 9:50:52 AM PDT by GitmoSailor (AZ Cold War Veteran====McCain/Palin 2OO8==My Mouse is a MOOSE=Donate to FR)
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To: Bill Dupray

Sarah has a list a mile long of instances where Biden the “foreign policy expert” was dead wrong. That’s all she needs. That, and Joe’s smarminess, which cannot be coached away.


36 posted on 09/29/2008 4:56:35 PM PDT by HelloooClareece ("We make war that we may live in peace". Aristotle)
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Is it experience or is it judegement that we desire? I’ve seen some pretty “smart” people who have no sense of judgement.

Sarah may not be a policy wonk but I’ll trust her judgement over Biden/Obama.


37 posted on 09/29/2008 5:21:50 PM PDT by ak267
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To: Bill Dupray

Unless Biden has a seizure and babbles incoherently the media will score it as a win for him....

And if he does babble incoherently amidst a grand mal seizure they will then score it as the greatest debate since Lincoln Douglas.


38 posted on 09/29/2008 5:35:25 PM PDT by usmcobra (Obama : Pandora's box in arabic, filled with all evil that men can do and void of hope)
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To: Bill Dupray

Wow! I never thought of that but that’s true. The Dems shot themselves in the foot. When she does not come across as the dolt Katie Couric’s “edited” interview showed her to be, she’s a winner.

I hope she brings up to Biden how he told Katie Couric that in 1929 when the Depression hit that “President Roosevelt” would have gone on TV to address the American people.

FDR was not Prez in ‘29 and there was no TV. C’mon Sarah, find some way to insert that into the debate.


39 posted on 09/30/2008 12:37:58 PM PDT by no dems ("Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice...." Barry Goldwater)
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To: ak267

Hillary and Biden ran in the Primary as the “experienced” candidate; Obama as the “new kid”.

WHO WON? The “Experienced” or the “new”?

Uh, huh.


40 posted on 09/30/2008 12:40:24 PM PDT by no dems ("Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice...." Barry Goldwater)
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