Posted on 09/17/2008 10:24:07 AM PDT by vadum
When Sobel finally confessed recently, the MSM tried to spin it to claim Ethel was innocent. Unfortunately for the left, it’s already well established that Ethel was running the show.
The New York Times reports that the sons of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg now accept that their father was a spy for the Soviet Union
As for heroes, you start with the greates hero of the time and one of the truly great American minds of the 20th century, Whittaker Chambers. Somewhere there should be a memorial for a man who sacrificed his good name for the liberty of his country.Add Richard Nixon to that list as well. His unwillingness to accept the lies of Alger Hiss and his support of Chambers are worthy of praise. And for my own favorite, a man who sacrificed everything short of life was the CIA's James Jesus Angleton.He understood the nature and evil of the enemy more clearly than any of his colleagues.
The sad thing is we thought we had won. Now, looking at the candidates of the Democrat party I wonder if we really did.
What is certain is that before Yalta, Stalin was unsure whether or not his plans to seize Eastern Europe would be militarily opposed by the Allies and was very cautious.
By Potsdam he abandoned everything but the pretense.
He saw that the UK was used up, that the US would not commit ground troops for an anti-Soviet war and that France would not lift a finger to help her allies. He also saw that the US did not relish using its weapons of mass destruction, while he himself exulted in the most extreme savagery.
If Stalin had gone to war to conquer all of Europe, except Britain, it is doubtful that the US would have stood in their way.
We're about to elect a Communist terrorist collaborator for U.S. President.
Are we in a post-sanity America?
It seems pretty clear that Beria, Kruschev and others in his inner circle knew they were next on the purge list and poisoned him.
It’s hard to say what the U.S. would have done since’ in retrospect’ Eisenhower was not at all fond of using extraordinary means to slow down Soviet Expansion. The unhinged JBS founder Robert Welch actually thought Ike was a Communist.
Eisenhower was a realist.
Most people don't realize that at the end of WWII the US Armed Forces were physically and emotionally spent.
There is a reason why Eisenhower took nine months to get from Arnhem to the Elbe.
It would have taken Zhukov two weeks.
I have said this before and I will say it again.
I DO NOT understand Jews love for Stalin and Russia. Stalin killed as many jews as Hitler yet they will steal, lie and die for him.
How many spies for Stalin were Jewish? I just don’t get it.
In Europe there was a large split within the Jewish population in the 1700s - those who followed the secular Enlightenment ("Haskala") and those who remained Torah-observant.
Because the laws of the conservative European old guard were generally anti-Jewish (forbidding Jews from holding certain jobs, purchasing land, serving as officers, etc.) the secular, assimilationist Jews embraced the Left, because the Left advocated the overthrow of the old guard. The end of the old guard would mean that Jews would be able to take their place as full members of society.
In Eastern Europe the old guard was the openly anti-Semitic tsarist regime.
The Russian Revolution meant the end of the tsars and the pogroms. The Jewish people of Russia and the East were very loyal to a government that put an end to tsarist anti-Semitism and allowed them to emerge as social and political equals.
When Stalin turned on the Jews, a lot of people who had emotionally invested in the Russian Revolution did not want to admit to tehmselves that the cure they had so passionately advocated had turned out to be worse than the disease. They wanted to believe that the Stalin's victims really were counterrevolutionaries and criminals and collaborators. They convinced themselves this was so.
It's a natural human reaction.
Many Jews died in Germany because they were unable to come to emotional grips with the fact that the German Republic they loved was serious about destroying them. They thought cooler heads would prevail.
Great post. It’s amazing how many people fly off the handle on this topic...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2083541/posts?page=4#4
Remember the Battle of the Bulge and the Huertgen Forest? Zhukov never faced either of them, and the Allies were preparing for the invasion of Japan, with estimated casualties of over 1 million men. Zhukov has been wildly over-rated by postwar historians swallowing Soviet propaganda.
If Ethel was not guilty of espionage then Julius Rosenberg was truly a slimy character. Aside from committing treason and espionage he allowed his wife to face the electric chair, and his sons to become orphans, rather than come clean and spare his innocent wife. I think the evidence is fairly overwhelming she was just as actively involved as he was.
If Ethel was not guilty of espionage then Julius Rosenberg was truly a slimy character. Aside from committing treason and espionage he allowed his wife to face the electric chair, and his sons to become orphans, rather than come clean and spare his innocent wife. I think the evidence is fairly overwhelming she was just as actively involved as he was.
Zhukov is indeed extremely overrated. Had he commanded Patton's troops or Montgomery's troops he would have been an abject failure.
However, The Bulge and the Huertgen Forest are battles that the Soviets would have won much more quickly than the Allies would have.
The Allies in West were fighting maybe 20% of the Wehrmacht. The Soviets in the East were fighting 80% of the Wehrmacht.
At the Bulge, the Allies lost 20,000 men killed in 40 days. At Huertgen Forest, the Allies lost about 15,000 killed in 90 days.
In the 20 days of the Vistula-Oder Offensive, the Soviets lost 377,000 killed.
In the East Prussian Offensive the Soviets lost 125,000 killed in January.
In the West, the Allies refused to send soldiers into minefields and carefully cleared them. The Allies refused to slaughter civilians wholesale and flatten their homes, so the Wehrmacht had plenty of hiding places and bases of local supplies. The Allies refused to allow units that had been surrounded by the enemy to be destroyed, but assisted them. The Allies softened up every target extensively beforehand with artillery and air support before proceeding.
The Soviets cleared minefields by force-marching penal battalions across them. They sighted artillery by sending penal battalions on suicide charges of entrenched positions. They slaughtered civilians and destroyed civilian homes wherever they went, a scorched earth policy that prevented Wehrmacht units from catching their breath or resupplying.
Zhukov won the Vistula-Oder Offensive in less than three weeks not because he was a brilliant tactician, but because he was willing to sacrifice half a million lives if necessary.
No US commander was willing to sacrifice a tenth of that number in a single engagement. Nor was any US commander willing to line up civilians in every town his army encountered and shoot them or put them to slave labor a thousand miles from their homes. Nor was any US commander willing to promise his soldiers that they could rape any woman they found and steal anything they could carry as a prize for doing their duty.
McCarthy was briefed in on VENONA and that was his evidence. The problem was that the evidence was classified and he could not go public with it. Still, that means he had evidence for what happened.
It is telling.
There is also the phenomenon of those who feel sorry for what happened to Germany at the end of WWII and who say things like: "The Wehrmacht were fighting Communism! Sure the SS were bad guys, but the average soldier was a hero fighting for his country and against the Reds!"
It's a mirror image of the leftist who excuses the Soviet Union's crimes.
Never have two enemies deserved each other more than the two who fought on WWII's Eastern Front.
Well the leadership deserved each other. I’m sure the combat soldiers on both sides had their fair share of cogs caught up in the War Machine. Those weren’t volunteer armies as my grandfathers, who both fought in the Red Army in WW2, would attest.
Totally agree, and you even left out a couple of points. Allied soldiers were not forced into combat at gunpoint, or given alcohol to make them “brave”, and unlike the Red Army, one million Allied troops did not desert to join the Wehrmacht. Those who keep directly equating the Soviets and the Nazis are ignprant of history.
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