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A Threat From the Sissies Across the Sea: Elect Obama or Deal With Us
Radarsite ^ | 9/10/08 | Roger W. Gardner

Posted on 09/10/2008 1:26:10 PM PDT by Roger W. Gardner

The world's verdict will be harsh if the US rejects the man it yearns for

An America that disdains Obama for his global support risks turning current anti-Bush feeling into something far worse

Jonathan Freedland From The Guardian [highlighting and emphasis by Radarsite] Wednesday September 10 2008 The feeling is familiar. I had it four years ago and four years before that: a sinking feeling in the stomach. It's a kind of physical pessimism which says: "It's happening again. The Democrats are about to lose an election they should win - and it could not matter more." In my head, I'm not as anxious for Barack Obama's chances as I was for John Kerry's in 2004 or Al Gore's in 2000. He is a better candidate than both put together, and all the empirical evidence says this year favours Democrats more than any since 1976. But still, I can't shake off the gloom. Look at yesterday's opinion polls, which have John McCain either in a dead heat with Obama or narrowly ahead. Given the well-documented tendency of African-American candidates to perform better in polls than in elections - thanks to people who say they will vote for a black man but don't - this suggests Obama is now trailing badly. More troubling was the ABC News-Washington Post survey which found McCain ahead among white women by 53% to 41%. Two weeks ago, Obama had a 15% lead among women. There is only one explanation for that turnaround, and it was not McCain's tranquilliser of a convention speech: Obama's lead has been crushed by the Palin bounce.

So you can understand my pessimism. But it's now combined with a rising frustration. I watch as the Democrats stumble, uncertain how to take on Sarah Palin. Fight too hard, and the Republican machine, echoed by the ditto-heads in the conservative commentariat on talk radio and cable TV, will brand Democrats sexist, elitist snobs, patronising a small-town woman. Do nothing, and Palin's rise will continue unchecked, her novelty making even Obama look stale, her star power energising and motivating the Republican base.

So somehow Palin slips out of reach, no revelation - no matter how jaw-dropping or career-ending were it applied to a normal candidate - doing sufficient damage to slow her apparent march to power, dragging the charisma-deprived McCain behind her. We know one of Palin's first acts as mayor of tiny Wasilla, Alaska was to ask the librarian the procedure for banning books. Oh, but that was a "rhetorical" question, says the McCain-Palin campaign. We know Palin is not telling the truth when she says she was against the notorious $400m "Bridge to Nowhere" project in Alaska - in fact, she campaigned for it - but she keeps repeating the claim anyway. She denounces the dipping of snouts in the Washington trough - but hired costly lobbyists to make sure Alaska got a bigger helping of federal dollars than any other state. She claims to be a fiscal conservative, but left Wasilla saddled with debts it had never had before. She even seems to have claimed "per diem" allowances - taxpayers' money meant for out-of-town travel - when she was staying in her own house. Yet somehow none of this is yet leaving a dent. The result is that a politician who conservative blogger Andrew Sullivan calls a "Christianist" - seeking to politicise Christianity the way Islamists politicise Islam - could soon be a heartbeat away from the presidency. Remember, this is a woman who once addressed a church congregation, saying of her work as governor - transport, policing and education - "really all of that stuff doesn't do any good if the people of Alaska's heart isn't right with God". If Sarah Palin defies the conventional wisdom that says elections are determined by the top of the ticket, and somehow wins this for McCain, what will be the reaction? Yes, blue-state America will go into mourning once again, feeling estranged in its own country. A generation of young Americans - who back Obama in big numbers - will turn cynical, concluding that politics doesn't work after all. And, most depressing, many African-Americans will decide that if even Barack Obama - with all his conspicuous gifts - could not win, then no black man can ever be elected president.

But what of the rest of the world? This is the reaction I fear most. For Obama has stirred an excitement around the globe unmatched by any American politician in living memory. Polling in Germany, France, Britain and Russia shows that Obama would win by whopping majorities, with the pattern repeated in Africa, Asia, the Middle East and Latin America. If November 4 were a global ballot, Obama would win it handsomely. If the free world could choose its leader, it would be Barack Obama. The crowd of 200,000 that rallied to hear him in Berlin in July did so not only because of his charisma, but also because they know he, like the majority of the world's population, opposed the Iraq war. McCain supported it, peddling the lie that Saddam was linked to 9/11. Non-Americans sense that Obama will not ride roughshod over the international system but will treat alliances and global institutions seriously: McCain wants to bypass the United Nations in favour of a US-friendly League of Democracies. McCain might talk a good game on climate change, but a repeated floor chant at the Republican convention was "Drill, baby, drill!", as if the solution to global warming were not a radical rethink of the US's entire energy system but more offshore oil rigs.

If Americans choose McCain, they will be turning their back on the rest of the world, choosing to show us four more years of the Bush-Cheney finger. And I predict a deeply unpleasant shift.

Until now, anti-Americanism has been exaggerated and much misunderstood: outside a leftist hardcore, it has mostly been anti-Bushism, opposition to this specific administration. But if McCain wins in November, that might well change. Suddenly Europeans and others will conclude that their dispute is with not only one ruling clique, but Americans themselves. For it will have been the American people, not the politicians, who will have passed up a once-in-a-generation chance for a fresh start - a fresh start the world is yearning for. And the manner of that decision will matter, too. If it is deemed to have been about race - that Obama was rejected because of his colour - the world's verdict will be harsh. In that circumstance, Slate's Jacob Weisberg wrote recently, international opinion would conclude that "the United States had its day, but in the end couldn't put its own self-interest ahead of its crazy irrationality over race". Even if it's not ethnic prejudice, but some other aspect of the culture wars, that proves decisive, the point still holds. For America to make a decision as grave as this one - while the planet boils and with the US fighting two wars - on the trivial basis that a hockey mom is likable and seems down to earth, would be to convey a lack of seriousness, a fleeing from reality, that does indeed suggest a nation in, to quote Weisberg, "historical decline". Let's not forget, McCain's campaign manager boasts that this election is "not about the issues."

Of course I know that even to mention Obama's support around the world is to hurt him. Incredibly, that large Berlin crowd damaged Obama at home, branding him the "candidate of Europe" and making him seem less of a patriotic American. But what does that say about today's America, that the world's esteem is now unwanted? If Americans reject Obama, they will be sending the clearest possible message to the rest of us - and, make no mistake, we shall hear it. --------------------------------------------------------

A note from Radarsite: "If Americans reject Obama, they will be sending the clearest possible message to the rest of us -" The rest of us? Who the hell does this bespectacled little twit think he is? Take a good look at that face, folks. That's who is threatening us with dire consequences. Do you feel threatened? Somehow that particular face just doesn't do the job. Is this article as infuriating to you as it is to me? These little men. These worthless cowardly little men who cannot even bring themselves to fight for their own country in its time of mortal peril. These foppish elitists, who by their cowardly appeasements and unending accommodations to their barbarous Muslim invaders have given away the Keys to the Kingdom, who have meekly acquiesced in the destruction of their own great culture, now have the audacity to threaten us if we do not follow their demands and elect the president of their choice.

"But what does that say about today's America, that the world's esteem is now unwanted?" Exactly. We do not elect our presidents to earn the world's esteem -- or more precisely, your world's esteem. Your delusional, naive, and grossly misguided universalist, multiculturalist tinkering has plunged Britain into social and cultural chaos.

"Non-Americans sense that Obama will not ride roughshod over the international system but will treat alliances and global institutions seriously" Nothing you could have said could be more revealing of your Marxist intentions. A world run by global institutions. That's what this is all about, isn't it, Mr. Freedland? Your Grand Vision of a one world, one government, one judicial entity presiding over it all. But us crude Yanks are putting a monkey wrench into the gears of your great machine, aren't we? This stubbornly nationalistic America will not bend to the rule of your corrupt, self-interested international tribunals, or "Human Rights Organizations" run by monsters. We will remain what we always have been. Independent, individualistic and strong. And you will remain what you have always been: corrupt, weak and envious.

Save your empty threats for your murderous Muslim occupiers. See how they cower in fear before you.

To me, Mr. Jonathon Freedland, you represent everything that has gone wrong in our Western civilization. You are the symbol of weakness and capitulation, and your brave ancestors would summarily disavow you for your treacherous cowardice. There are just not enough adjectives in my limited vocabulary to adequately convey my contempt for you and for all that you stand for. You are trying to destroy all that is good and sacred in our fine and glorious Western Civilization and I hate you for it. - rg

For more on the world's highly emotional investment in an Obama presidency click here


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: americanelections; nonamericancaucus; nonamericanvote; obama; worldopinion
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1 posted on 09/10/2008 1:26:10 PM PDT by Roger W. Gardner
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To: Roger W. Gardner

It’s OUR country and our choice. They can whine all day, and threaten all they want. I won’t vote for Obama because I actually love my country.


2 posted on 09/10/2008 1:35:09 PM PDT by I'm ALL Right!
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Lets see what should my response to this “threat” be?

After much thought....
I managed a yawn....
Can’t get up for much more when talking abouit those across the sea.......


3 posted on 09/10/2008 1:35:35 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA ( Choice 2008 McCain =Hero, Obama = Zero. Palin = Fresh - Biden = Stale)
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Ooooooh. Scared me!

4 posted on 09/10/2008 1:36:29 PM PDT by ladtx ( "Never miss a good chance to shut up." - - Will Rogers)
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5 posted on 09/10/2008 1:37:30 PM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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It seems to me that the world would prefer a Communist Muslim sympathizer to rule over them. Kill me before that happens.
6 posted on 09/10/2008 1:37:45 PM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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But what does that say about today's America, that the world's esteem is now unwanted?

Ya think??

7 posted on 09/10/2008 1:40:29 PM PDT by skeeter
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I have 3 ancestors (that I’ve found so far) that fought in our Revolution. I’d make them proud and “kneecap” this jerk, no problem.


8 posted on 09/10/2008 1:40:34 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW ("Make yourself sheep, and the wolves will eat you" Benjamin Franklin)
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You are trying to destroy all that is good and sacred in our fine and glorious Western Civilization and I hate you for it.

You and me both, friend.

9 posted on 09/10/2008 1:43:03 PM PDT by skeeter
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Given the well-documented tendency of African-American candidates to perform better in polls than in elections - thanks to people who say they will vote for a black man but don't -

Accusations of racism-the last refuge of a scoundrel..

10 posted on 09/10/2008 1:43:36 PM PDT by cardinal4 (Drill Now, Vote Nobama, and Oust the Third World Democrat Congress)
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So all the people in the world who hate America want Obama to be President? That’s the best reason yet to vote against him.


11 posted on 09/10/2008 1:44:26 PM PDT by Argus (Obama: All turban and no goats.)
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Europe, they are always there when then need us...


12 posted on 09/10/2008 1:44:36 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Finally a Conservative on the RNC ticket....)
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Here’s how it works. Brits elect someone to lead them who best represents them, the Germans do the same, and we get to elect someone who hopefully is most likely to lead us where we want to go.

If we elected people the Brits or Germans wanted to lead us, democracy would have no meaning. National independence would have no meaning.

As for the esteem of the rest of the world, I’ll take it if I don’t have to pay too high a price for it. I’ll do without it if I have to. It works both ways. If the world wants my esteem, it can earn it. Or not. I’m sure they can struggle on somehow without my esteem, and I’m sure I’ll get along without theirs if that is my lot in life.

It won’t make much difference either way. If they need us, we’ll be there for them. If we need them, well, its maybe-maybe-not. And we all know that, which is why their esteem is considered optional, and not a requirement.


13 posted on 09/10/2008 1:48:06 PM PDT by marron
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Who cares what a batch of half-assed "nations" think about the U.S.?


14 posted on 09/10/2008 1:48:33 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines, RVN 1969. St. Peregrine, patron saint of cancer patients, pray for us.)
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We’ll deal with you. This is still the only country people are dying to get into.


15 posted on 09/10/2008 1:55:07 PM PDT by wordsofearnest ("The fundamental solution (w/b) that there is no longer any need to immigrate")
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Polling in Germany, France, Britain and Russia shows that Obama would win by whopping majorities, with the pattern repeated in Africa, Asia, the Middle East and Latin America.

It's just impossible to read that without laughing out loud.

16 posted on 09/10/2008 1:57:25 PM PDT by Flycatcher (Strong copy for a strong America)
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In general the more the rest of the world dislikes our president the more I like him. Nobody in other countries really likes a leader of a different country whose primary concern is his own country. And amusingly enough nobody likes a leader of their country whose primary concern is the approval of other countries.


17 posted on 09/10/2008 1:59:13 PM PDT by boogerbear
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You would think they would learn to SHUT UP. The world liked Kerry too. Look how well that world opinion flew in this country.


18 posted on 09/10/2008 2:07:34 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (McCain/Palin 2008 : Palin the Paladin 2012)
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To: marron

You must bear in mind that this journalist does not represent the average British bod-in-the-street any more than a moth eaten San Francisco hippy speaks for a Freeper from Texas or Virginia.

In regard to the author’s reply to one of Freedland’s points (about the world run by unaccountable Marxist style institutions) I can assure you that most Limeys will agree with you and then some ! This shower of shite that we’ve had for 11 years is particularly dubious when trying to push Britain further and further into the EU and UN, and as an ordinary Joe who pays a quarter of my salary in taxes to pay for all this, I think I can confidently say that the majority of us are getting sick of it.
Before you ask why dont we hoik the Labour Govt out - well, I can’t think why we haven’t done so. Laziness perhaps.


19 posted on 09/10/2008 2:21:57 PM PDT by jabbermog (Vegetable Rights and Peace!)
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The reason for this is relatively simple. It is not that the people of the rest of the world are less intelligent or more venal than Americans; except perhaps in those regions where any genetic prediposition to such qualities was depleted by emigration in past centuries.

No, the real reason is that the rest of the world is behind us on the saturation media learning curve. The US, after all, invented high-intensity media, specifically television, and was the first to make those media a major factor in the political dynamic. Even in supposedly sophisticated Europe such media are significantly newer on average. A majority of European households did not have TV sets until the 1970s, for example, and the perceptual kaleidoscope of cable and satellite TV is even newer. The glamorous talking heads, melodramatic visual advocacy, and multi-level manipulation have not quite lost their shine, nor has organized opposition to media rule taken root as it has in the US.

Many in the UK, for example, actually believe what they see on the BBC, receiving it not as propaganda supporting an agenda, but as divine wisdom handed down from the gods of culture.
This phenonmenon is even more apparent in the Arab world, which went from parchment and smoke signals to 80s style glitz virtually overnight.

This is all old news in the US, where we have reached a level of understanding, and consequent skepticism, that is still several years off for most of the rest of the world.

Obama is the media culture’s last chance to retain power. Their grasp is slipping and that is why they are desperately and foolishly bringing in foreign reinforcements.


20 posted on 09/10/2008 2:24:17 PM PDT by atomic conspiracy (Victory in Iraq: Worst defeat for activist media since Goebbels shot himself.)
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