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To: raybbr

Apartheid was a great evil, and it’s an error to say that South Africa was a great place with it. Only the white population benefitted. That being said, no one can say that the nation is doing well now. The difference is, people of all races are suffering miserably.

The author would have one believe that racial equality under the law was the country’s downfall. Actually, it’s Marxism that has destroyed the nation. If the government, regardless of race, were to apply market-oriented economics, strong private property rights, and a combination of law & order principles with strong legal protections, they would be amazed how quickly things woudl improve.


8 posted on 09/01/2008 4:07:43 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (If Islam conquers the world, the Earth will be at peace because the human race will be killed off.)
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To: Clintonfatigued
Actually, it’s Marxism that has destroyed the nation. If the government, regardless of race, were to apply market-oriented economics, strong private property rights, and a combination of law & order principles with strong legal protections, they would be amazed how quickly things woudl improve.
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Ah! But to have the above, a nation needs a generally honest population, and Marxism seeks to destroy that honesty.

Free markets can only work if the population is honest.

We can only have property rights if the police and courts are basically honest.

Laws do not create order. Honest people of good will create order. It is impossible to have enough laws to create order. We have order because, we, as honest citizens of good will, choose to be orderly. The few laws that we do have are enforced by honest police and judges who are men of honesty and good will.

What has proven to be the greatest source of honesty and good will among people? Answer: Judeo Christian belief.

Those who hold Judeo Christian beliefs will be honest and extend good will to others because, they believe are all equal before God, that our fellow man is our literal brother, and that we will be judged by God in the end.

Marxism seeks to destroy belief in God and with it comes dishonesty and barbarity. Doing this will accomplish its next goal, destruction of free markets. The final goal, of course, is slavery to a the totalitarian elite.

Marxism is our nation's **most** serious threat. Our government k-12 schools and our colleges and universities are the Marxists **most** important weapon. If they succeed in indoctrinating the next generation of voters we will lose all freedom in the voting booth.

By the way, I please that you understand the problem. Our talk radio Pumpkin Heads don't get it. I rarely hear the Marxist or Communist out of the mouths of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, or Bill OReilly. What **stupid** Ichabods!

17 posted on 09/01/2008 4:49:50 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: Clintonfatigued
it’s an error to say that South Africa was a great place with it.

As bad as it was, I've read reports that blacks from all over Africa were still choosing to move to South Africa to live.

33 posted on 09/01/2008 5:41:13 PM PDT by RJL
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To: Clintonfatigued
The author would have one believe that racial equality under the law was the country’s downfall. Actually, it’s Marxism that has destroyed the nation.

Actually, I think you missed the author's main point. It wasn't the concept of equality for blacks that she blames, but that the blacks did not have the same respect for Western values that made South Africa successful in the first place. So, when power was given to the ANC, who supposedly represented blacks, they imposed rule of the kind that the rest of Africa is used to - brutal mob rule. This is what she warns against. It is the cultural values that one must pay attention to, and those who do not share ours will use ours to get power, then when in power will dismantle our country, as they did in SA.
37 posted on 09/01/2008 5:59:56 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: Clintonfatigued
Apartheid was a great evil, and it’s an error to say that South Africa was a great place with it. Only the white population benefitted.

I'm sure you can find a great percentage of Black Zimbabweans who would prefer apartheid Rhodesia to their current situation.

44 posted on 09/02/2008 9:16:27 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell)
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To: Clintonfatigued
Apartheid was a great evil, and it’s an error to say that South Africa was a great place with it. Only the white population benefitted. That being said, no one can say that the nation is doing well now. The difference is, people of all races are suffering miserably.

The white apartheid government in South Africa wanted to have their cake and eat it too- they wanted the benefits of cheap black labor to work the fields, factories and mines, but they did not want to give those black workers any real stake in the country or any representation in government. This was, to put it mildly, an incredibly short-sighted approach.

The rise of Marxist and Communist groups opposing such a system should not have surprised anyone.

The US system is different- our country gives everyone living here a stake in the system and the ability to be heard by government. Heck, we even seem to give illegals those rights! Our minorities are represented in government.

Trying to compare the two countries in this regard doesn't really work.

47 posted on 09/04/2008 8:08:01 AM PDT by Citizen Blade ("Please... I go through everyone's trash." The Question)
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To: Clintonfatigued
The author would have one believe that racial equality under the law was the country’s downfall. Actually, it’s Marxism that has destroyed the nation. If the government, regardless of race, were to apply market-oriented economics, strong private property rights, and a combination of law & order principles with strong legal protections, they would be amazed how quickly things woudl improve.

It's not about race, it's about what happens when the underclass becomes a voting majority, and decide to loot the middle class for their own benefits. Once the looting party starts, restoring "strong private property rights" means that the looters get less loot, and they will not vote for that.

51 posted on 03/31/2009 9:17:19 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money -- Thatcher)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Excellant analysis and accurate and realistic.


53 posted on 03/31/2009 4:19:47 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (It's time for the grown ups !)
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