[Terriergal]

You go brother Ken~!

[JamesP81]

I've got friends that are mixed up in this stuff. I've discussed it at length with my best friend, who's father is a Freewill Baptist pastor. We attended college together and were both members of a church group that was heavily influenced in the W/F direction. Both me and my friend came to the conclusion that such teaching is dangerous. First of all, when name and claim it doesn't work, new Christians will often leave the faith. It brings the name of Christ into disrepute.

Osteen and Meyer both start off with a simple message of self-esteem and then spray it lightly with a veneer of Christian terminology in an attempt to pass it off as “biblical.”

I've always had a creepy feeling from these two based on that very message. Every time I see Osteen speak, I hear a lot of "be good to people, live a good life, do nice things" and I almost never hear, "He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one goes to the Father but by Him." Any pastor who doesn't teach the latter but does teach the former is no pastor at all, but a tool for the enemy useful for deceiving men into not accepting Christ's sacrifice.

[Veto!]

A friend of mine is a devoted Olsteen fan. She’s a one-sided twit. I cannot tell you the hours I’ve spent listening to her complaints about her life and relationship, but when I needed to talk about my problems, she gave me a horrified look and informed me that the devil has control of me.

Olsteenism apparently teaches that if you’re not chipper and cheerful every minute, you’ve somehow flunked Christianity 101 abd become a tool of the devil.

Nice.

[Lee N. Field]

"We’ve heard a lot about the judgment of God and what we can’t do and what’s going to keep us out of heaven." --the Smiling Man

Better to hear it now, than later.

[Quix]

GOD
HIMSELF
SAID
AND
SAYS:
ACCORDING TO YOUR FAITH
SO BE IT
UNTO
YOU.

I've long observed, that WHEN folks take God at His Word . . . stepping out in faith, jumping out of the boat toward Jesus . . .

GOD AFFIRMS HIS WORD WITH MIRACULOUS SIGNS FOLLOWING in changed lives and other dramatic ways much more often than when folks do NOT take God at HIS WORD.

This occurs even when the dispensers of God's Word are flawed . . . as ALL are.

And, there's an erroneous ASSUMPTION, PRETENSE that the more staid, conventional, 'frozen chosen' varieties of Christendom have no such flaws nor errors nor junk.

THAT'S far from the truth. It's just that their errors are less dramatic, less vivid, less publicized, etc. but are NOT less deadly.

SOME of those throwing rocks at Joel et al are in for some very heavy and very troublesome reaping of what they've been sowing.

[gatorhead]

“Breathe, believe, and receive”-—Tiffany Granath, Afternoon Advice, Playboy satellite radio.

[Christian4Bush]

marking for later reading

[ColdSteelTalon]

Victoria was excited. She turned around, looked back at the home, and said, “Joel, one day we’re going to live in a beautiful home just like that!” Over the next several months, she kept speaking words of faith and victory, and she finally talked me into it. She convinced me that we could live in an elegant home like the one we saw. I got rid of my limited thinking and I started agreeing with her. I started believing that somehow, some way, God could bring it to pass. We kept on believing it, seeing it, and speaking it (Osteen, Your Best Life Now: 7 Steps to Living at Your Full Potential, Chapter One).

I keep syaing that someday I will win the lottery. I have been doing that for 15 years now and it has not worked out. (sarcasm /off).

[aruanan]

JOEL OSTEEN: APPRISING HIS WORD FAITH TEACHINGS

Is that anything like "appraising"?