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Not the best solution to some but It helps to me. Everyone would benefit.

Any other thoughts? Please keep comments reasonable, objective and nothing racist please.

1 posted on 08/25/2008 2:11:02 PM PDT by mainestategop
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To: mainestategop

It is unquestionably a right.
The responsibility is to make an INFORMED vote rather than just A vote.

As for “racist comments” you would have to go to DU or KOS for those. We at FR don’t abide them.


2 posted on 08/25/2008 2:16:40 PM PDT by Artemis Webb ("The church is near, but the road is icy. The bar is far away, but I will walk carefully.")
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There are some good points, but I’m not sure preventing people from voting is inherently a good thing. The problem with deciding who gets to vote and not is it would be decided by the government which gives a conflict of interest. If the government WANTS more power, it will somehow exclude people who are likely to vote against it obtaining more power (i.e. preventing conservatives, libertarians, and constitutionalists from voting).

I think some sort of on the spot testing would be acceptable, for instance reading the Constitution and Bill of Rights before you vote. I don’t know, I’m just throwing something out there. I haven’t really thought about solutions much. JMO


4 posted on 08/25/2008 2:22:55 PM PDT by djsherin
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mainestategop, I believe in the right of every person to vote, regardless as to how stupid he or she is. I suspect that you really do as well, but that you find this person annoying.

The good news is that many others find her annoying and she will accomplish the inverse of her goal.

By silencing a free human being, that is something that runs afoul of the inalienable rights as defended vigorously by the Founding Fathers.

If you have not had a chance to read David McCullough’s biography of John Adams, I recommend it.


6 posted on 08/25/2008 2:24:54 PM PDT by saveliberty (Prayer blizzard for the Snow family. Tony was a blessing unto us all. We will miss him.)
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Pretty soon, this is what we're going to get for President.

7 posted on 08/25/2008 2:25:00 PM PDT by dfwgator ( This tag blank until football season.)
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I have my own problems with universal sufferage which I have discussed before, but this makes no sense: “If you are a business executive, CEO, manager, or employee of a company that receives subsidies, no vote.”

Wouldn’t that eliminate employees of most big business in the US, including the defense industry, banking, construction, agriculture, petroleum, coal, etc.?

My idea is to give everyone over 18 a vote as it is today, and then set some sort of income standard for additional votes, eg, for every $100,000 in income you get an additional vote.

So, someone who makes $250,000 would get three votes. A person earning $90,000 would get one vote. There would have to be some sort of upper limit cut-off so Bill Gates doesn’t get 50 thousand votes.

Of course, these are utopian ideas and would be impossible in the US as it is today. Maybe if there is another revolution and a new constitution created, these kind of ideas might be realizable.


9 posted on 08/25/2008 2:30:33 PM PDT by FFranco
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Basically, this author is proposing that anyone who disagrees with him or who he does not like should not get the vote.

No thanks. I’m not arrogant enough to think that my opinion is the only one that matters.


14 posted on 08/25/2008 2:41:59 PM PDT by Citizen Blade ("Please... I go through everyone's trash." The Question)
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Question; didn’t the Founding Fathers originally reserve voting “rights” to white, land-owning people? I’ve heard that thrown around a few times, once by a man well-known for his Conservative beliefs and who seems to have a good deal of knowledge on the Founding Fathers.

I believe he said that while the Founding fathers believed everyone was created equal, they didn’t want an ignorant majority to take away the rights of the minority.


19 posted on 08/25/2008 2:54:26 PM PDT by RWB Patriot
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In other countries voting is mandatory and subject to fines.

Vote, its the LAW!


35 posted on 08/25/2008 3:08:37 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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People who support gun control, speech codes, protest zoning, socialism, compulsory public schooling won't be eligible.

Talk about a slippery slope. In order to limit governmental power, you're proposing we allow the government to bar people from voting based on their personal views. Kinda ironic...

37 posted on 08/25/2008 3:10:41 PM PDT by NittanyLion
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Hey! Looks like you got quite a hot potato here!

Well... I do think welfare recipients and people in companies that get subsidies shouldn't vote but I don't like the idea of literacy tests. All this sounds like a slipery slope.

But yes you are right some people just aren't eligible to vote.

41 posted on 08/25/2008 3:20:40 PM PDT by jimbobaby
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Joseph Farah supported the idea of a voting test.

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53292

I think Neal Boortz also voiced similar opinions about voting. He mentioned it in one of his books and even wrote about it here http://boortz.com/nuze/200609/09252006.html

42 posted on 08/25/2008 3:24:41 PM PDT by jimbobaby
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Joseph Farah supported the idea of a voting test.

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53292

I think Neal Boortz also voiced similar opinions about voting. He mentioned it in one of his books and even wrote about it here http://boortz.com/nuze/200609/09252006.html

43 posted on 08/25/2008 3:24:49 PM PDT by jimbobaby
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I’m gonna BUMP this! This is really good!


44 posted on 08/25/2008 3:27:01 PM PDT by jimbobaby
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To: mainestategop; Lurker; Noumenon; Travis McGee; Grampa Dave; joanie-f; betty boop
Sorry, I do not believe your plan, however well intenitoned, has a snowballs chance of working.

Problem is, someone has to make all of these "rules" you are talking about, the legislatures would have to pass it into law and then the courts would interpret it. That's how the systemn works.

...and guess what, sometimes it will be people you agree with making those decisions, votes, and interpretations, but most times it will probably be people you don't agree with and the very litmus tests you propose would be administered and implemented against the very things that you hope to accomplish.

The only way to implement and administer what you propose is to have a totalitarian government that forces the definition to be uniform for all time...and then you won't need a vote...you will need a gun, a lot of guns, to try and get it back to a constitutional republic...if you can.

That may be where we are headed anyway.

Eduction is indeed the key...but it is up to us, the people, to do the educating. To awaken from our slumber and use the town halls, and town squares (internet, email, editorials, blogs, etc., etc.) to educate people about things and convince them through reason so that their hearts are in the right place. That takes time and a lot of effort.

IMHO, until enough of us (tens of millions) are willing to take that time and make that effort to help change people's hearts all around us over time...or until some catastrophe comes along that humbles sufficient people so they are willing to even open their hearts...we will not solve this problem.

We should pray and then develop the strength and put forth the effort to accomplish the first...while also praying and preparing to be able to abide the second.

"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other."- John Adams, Oct. 11, 1798
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