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To: zimfam007; SolidWood; SpinnerWebb; Billthedrill; KansasGirl

To quote Ronald Reagan, “There he goes again”, so here is my post on the subject again. I guess I’ll send it to Congress and elsewhere as long as people repeat the lie.

Despite Russian claims, no parallels exist between U.S. Iraq involvement and Russian Georgian aggression. With that and other pretexts Putin unilaterally attacked into Georgia, after NATO membership rejection portended a flaccid response. In contrast the United States, heading a U. N. coalition exceeding that Churchill and Roosevelt assembled to confront Hitler’s Germany, toppled Hussein’s regime, forcing the U.N. to confront the reason for its’ existence.

The Iraq ceasefire ended, because Hussein materially breached international obligations defined within U.N. Resolution 687, and reaffirmed by Resolution 1441. Resolution 687 incorporated 678 and 19 previous resolutions without amendments, offering Hussein conditional ceasefire in 1991. Instead he ignored responsibilities to submit comprehensive declarations of all WMD stockpiles and programs, and missiles with greater than 150 kilometre range. He thwarted the program envisioned by menacing, eluding, and deceiving inspectors. The U.N. resorted to surveillance, analysis, and investigation to destroy material and disrupt programs, until Hussein expelled inspectors in 1998. He continued forbidden involvement in international terrorism.

Russian statements are especially egregious fabrications, because they helped draft and acquiesced to every resolution. Concerning Hussein’s responsibilities, diplomats and politicians laboriously parsed each phrase for clear focus on verbs instead of nouns, behaviors not WMD stockpiles. The key words were guarantee, reaffirm, accept, submit, declare, yield, forgo, agree, inform, comply, cooperate, lie, omit, and thwart. Concerning consequences, the U.N.’s ultimatums in Resolutions 678 and 1441 authorized disarming Hussein’s regime through military operations “to restore international peace and security in the area”, and did not instruct coalition forces to merely expel Hussein from Kuwait. U.N. precedent from the Korean War ensured the above phrase intended invasion of Iraq. The term “in the area” used phraseology, confirmed by Congress, authorizing military action above the 38th parallel to disarm North Korea. Congress ratified U.N. Iraq positions with resolutions in 1991, 1998, and 2002.

As Russian forces crossed South Ossetia into Georgia, the moment arrived for inescapable acknowledgement that Putin had revoked the Cold War armistice. Justifications contain too many parallels to Hitler’s concern for Sudeten Germans in Czechoslovakia to ascribe less than brutal motives. Extravagant armored attacks through the Greater Caucasus Mountains demonstrate traditional Russian ruling elite neurotic insecurity; neurosis requiring rival power destruction without political compromise. Genetic, multi-millennial paranoia infects the current cabal to regard NATO, former Warsaw Pack countries, and former Soviet republics as encircling enemies. Such perceptions, not shared by the Russian people, repudiate years of Western support for emerging Russian representative government, political security, and economic stability.

There can be no permanent peaceful coexistence with a totalitarian Russia, but traditional warfare is not inevitable. Illogics lead this cabal onto unacceptable paths, but these elites remain highly susceptible to logics of force accompanied by determination to use it. Forceful initiatives require immediately curtailing efforts to integrate the former Soviet Union into the economic, cultural, and political life of the Free World. Next initiatives require increasingly serious discussions of cooperation and membership between NATO, and former Warsaw Pack countries and former Soviet republics. Finally, the United States must update Cold War plans through cooperative military exercises in Europe and the Mediterranean. This country must wage war, where diplomacy uses overt and clandestine activities to exploit, contradictions, stresses, and tensions between Putin’s ruling elite, and the Russian people and countries with which he needs alliances.

Such progressive, consecutive initiatives establish constraining negotiating positions Putin must consider. Such actions must proceed inexorably, subject to adjustment only following verifiable pacific initiatives for representative government and non-belligerent relationships with neighbors. Effective containment will reveal fragility of a totalitarian rule needing solidification within a disaffected, cynical population. The West must not squander this opportunity to make cruel subjection of Georgia become Putin’s undoing.


20 posted on 08/21/2008 11:15:09 AM PDT by Retain Mike
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To: Retain Mike
You might want to CC the Obama campaign as well.. with over 300 “foreign” advisers on his staff... you would think someone would have said... ahhh maybe that statement isn't such a good idea (or maybe his teleprompter froze again).
22 posted on 08/21/2008 11:21:11 AM PDT by zimfam007 (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: Retain Mike; Pride in the USA
That is one of the best posts I've read in many a day.

I'm still amazed that the Obamessiah would say anything this patently stupid! Of course he can count on his unpaid volunteers in the MSM to carry the water for him on this by making sure most of America never hears about it.

72 posted on 08/21/2008 2:54:06 PM PDT by lonevoice (John McCain was a Kinoki foot pad in the Reagan Revolution)
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To: Retain Mike
The West must not squander this opportunity to make cruel subjection of Georgia become Putin’s undoing.

Europe isn't up to the job, even if they actually protest, it will only empower Putin because he knows one day of turning off the natural gas will bring them to their knees, which won't be very far to fall, since their protestations will be on blended knee anyway

The USA is weary of war and carrying the burden of the world, it will be a hard sell to the American people to do more to Putin than talk big and show them the big stick

Obama is a pacifist at heart as all elitist have a yellow streak down their back and will do nothing but ask Americans to be concerned about her own problems and look away

McCain will see the landscape for what it is but, be hamstring by a democrat / socialist Congress that will fight him every step of the way

Bottom line Georgia is screwed and the remaining former satellites better be prepared to defend themselves

79 posted on 08/21/2008 3:10:54 PM PDT by Popman (McCain as POTUS is odious, Obama as POTUS is unthinkable.)
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To: Retain Mike

Bookmark for later reference.


87 posted on 08/21/2008 4:01:55 PM PDT by rockthecasbah (He has sounded forth the trumpet that shall never call retreat.)
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To: Retain Mike

Bookmark for later reference.


88 posted on 08/21/2008 4:02:58 PM PDT by rockthecasbah (He has sounded forth the trumpet that shall never call retreat.)
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To: Retain Mike

I may be out of line here, but isn’t it Warsaw Pact, not “Pack”?


104 posted on 08/21/2008 10:35:00 PM PDT by jurroppi1
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To: Retain Mike

very eloquent.

The shame is if a hypocrat read your post it would look like this to them:

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because it’s fixed in their heads that America is the problem.


134 posted on 08/22/2008 1:44:42 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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