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Debate on Fox--Lesbian Mom Demands Child Support from Sperm Donor Dad
GlennSacks.com ^ | 8/12/08 | Glenn Sacks

Posted on 08/12/2008 12:47:07 PM PDT by PercivalWalks

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To: PercivalWalks
This should be looked on as such, apparently the judge in this case believes that live begins at sperm donation. So when sperm from a man is used to spawn a child even thou the man did not have sex with the woman he is responsible for child support. This should be precedent for future abortion cases. If live begins at sperm donation while having sex with a partner then abortion is killing a child not just a fetus.

What are your thoughts?

21 posted on 08/12/2008 1:04:39 PM PDT by onlylewis (libs want a two class system, one rich one poor)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Why do lesbian hate heterosexual men and often just men in general?

Because we compete with them for the hot babes -- and we're much better-equipped to please the hotties.

22 posted on 08/12/2008 1:07:47 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: PercivalWalks

The child in question removed from the mother and given to a family to adopt.


23 posted on 08/12/2008 1:08:12 PM PDT by TheDon
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To: PercivalWalks
Sacks is being disengenous in this article.

The father stupidly thought he could make babies on the cheap. He was wrong and any lawyer could have told him so. Had they used the services of a doctor to perform the insemination, the agreement would have been valid.

the agreement could have been enforceable under New Mexico’s adoption of the Uniform Parentage Act, but the failure of the parties to involve a doctor in the insemination process when there was a "known donor" took these conceptions outside the jurisdiction of the Act’s provision on donor insemination. What remained in the absence of the Act was the clear public policy of New Mexico that a biological father of a child has a legal obligation of support if he has held himself out as the child’s father, and any purported agreement to the contrary is unenforceable as a matter of public policy

24 posted on 08/12/2008 1:08:48 PM PDT by Valpal1 (OW! My head just exploded!)
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To: longtermmemmory
The next step is to pierce the veil of anonymous donations and hold those fathers for their child support obligation.

Are you out of your freakin mind??

25 posted on 08/12/2008 1:11:06 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (A citizen using a weapon to shoot a criminal is the ultimate act of independence from government.)
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To: PercivalWalks
The way things are now, it seems that Onan probably had it right.

This loser deserves what he gets (or pays) as far as I am concerned.

26 posted on 08/12/2008 1:11:19 PM PDT by Radix (Think it is bad now? Wait until you have to press "2" for English!)
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To: lilylangtree

a. He was not a random sperm donor. It was a private arrangement the first time between a man and two women. The second time, it was a man and one woman. They might even have known each other biblically.
b. It is vitally important that sperm donors be identified so that everyone knows to whom he is related.


27 posted on 08/12/2008 1:15:27 PM PDT by definitelynotaliberal
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To: QBFimi

In days of old when knights were bold and rubbers weren’t invented;
The men used socks upon their ***** and babies were prevented.

Man, that sounds like a lot of fun. /s


28 posted on 08/12/2008 1:16:49 PM PDT by Bitsy
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To: PercivalWalks

So does the same thing apply if I donate blood that is used to save a gang bangers life, and the gang banger kills a family? Am I liable for the murder?


29 posted on 08/12/2008 1:17:09 PM PDT by Bommer ( I'm not racist, I just hate the white part of Obama!)
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To: definitelynotaliberal

Why is there no father on Hunter’s baby’s birth certificate? And she is fighting against any DNA testing for the father.


30 posted on 08/12/2008 1:17:37 PM PDT by weegee (Hi there.)
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To: Schnucki

No, it will not. The couple didn’t use a sperm bank. They used a friend/acquaintance.


31 posted on 08/12/2008 1:18:35 PM PDT by definitelynotaliberal
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To: weegee; John123

Exactly!


32 posted on 08/12/2008 1:21:36 PM PDT by definitelynotaliberal
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To: definitelynotaliberal
You're right.

I made several assumptions based on the title, a bad habit of mine, but the content of the article corrected a lot of my thinking.

Since there's no way to remove or edit posts without bothering an admin (that I know of), a lot of my silly comments are out there embarrassing me for years to come. :(

33 posted on 08/12/2008 1:22:58 PM PDT by Schnucki
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To: Centurion2000

An inordinate no. of posters haven’t read the article. That’s the only reason I can think of for the tremendous no. of inane comments on this thread.


34 posted on 08/12/2008 1:24:31 PM PDT by definitelynotaliberal
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To: weegee

I don’t know the answer, but I think it’s because, convinced as she appears to be that ‘he has the power to change the world’, she would like to see him, the father of her child, ascend to the Presidency and be seated at his own right hand. She’s protecting him so that he’s not disqualified from further runs at the Presidency in the court of public opinion.


35 posted on 08/12/2008 1:28:37 PM PDT by definitelynotaliberal
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To: Schnucki

No need to be embarrassed ‘for years to come’, for crying out loud! I have to say the hyperbole on FR is getting hard for me to handle. Take it easy already! ;-)


36 posted on 08/12/2008 1:33:31 PM PDT by definitelynotaliberal
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To: PercivalWalks
The bottom line here is that Mintz used her lesbian status to urge this guy into donating sperm and then comes back to the traditional marriage/heterosexual leaning court for support money.

I am curious to know from a 'law dog' if a written contract regarding custody and support between partners and then, with the gentleman beforehand would have done anything to ward off this court case......

38 posted on 08/12/2008 2:04:03 PM PDT by BossLady (People will do anything, no matter how absurd, to avoid facing their own soul. ~Carl Jung)
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To: PercivalWalks
Zoernig, Mintz and Mrantz had entered into an agreement in 1994 in which the female couple would be the child's primary custodians. Zoernig would serve as a male role model but not be financially obligated to support the child. Mintz and Zoernig entered into a similar agreement for the second child, born in 1997, court records show.

If this agreement was in writing, that should be that. The judge would be completely out of line for overriding the written agreement. Zoernig should appeal the decision.

If this was just a verbal agreement between them, then I guess Mr. Zoernig has learned a valuable (and expensive) lesson. Get it in writing!

39 posted on 08/12/2008 2:15:50 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall cause you to vote against the Democrats.)
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To: PercivalWalks

There was a case some years back where a man had been having sexual relations with a woman and agreed to pay child support when she became pregnant. She had the child but he played no part (other than paying the child support) in the child’s upbringing.

The man subsequently discovered that the woman had been having sexual relations with a number of men at the time of the child’s conception. DNA testing (or perhaps blood typing) conclusively ruled out the man as the father of the child.

He petitioned the court to stop paying child support but the judge denied the request ruling, in effect, that the law was primarily focused on the welfare of the child and that, even though he was not actually the child’s father, he had been acting as if he were and that alone was sufficient connection for him to continue making support payments until the child came of age. IIRC, the ruling was upheld on appeal.


40 posted on 08/12/2008 2:20:50 PM PDT by Captain Rhino ( If we have the WILL to do it, there is nothing built in China that we cannot do without.)
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