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To: LeGrande
Again, I'm super short on time.

That is simply proof that you don't believe it takes light 8.3 minutes to get to the earth and that you don't think the earth is rotating. If you want to believe those two things be my guest : )

I have no doubt that light takes about 8.3 minute from sun to earth, and I have no doubt that the earth rotates about 2.1 degrees per 8.3 minutes in relation to the sun. Now if the sun orbited the earth, you'd be right. But it doesn't - at least not much. So why won't you answer about Pluto? With Pluto at a distance which allows the world to rotate 102 degrees in the time it takes light to go from Pluto to Earth, to an observer on the earth at an instant in time, do you believe that Pluto's gravitational angle will really be about 102 degrees ahead of its optical apparent angle? Please answer that one. It's a simple yes or no question.

What you are forgetting is that it is also being freely disclosed that we don't understand how it happened.

I think you'll find that most highschool science textbooks are along the lines of "Here's how it happened" rather then "We don't know how it could have happened"

That simply puts them in the same Genus, that is one step removed from being the same species. The same with us and the Great Apes. So now you are claiming Genus rather than specie, see how your line blurs?

It looks to you like my line blurs, but that's because our two classification systems are incompatible. Both have a dogmatic assumption (yours is ASBE and mine is distinct kinds)

You have it backwards. Science is not about proof it is about falsification.

Ahh haha! You make it sound as if in science there needn't be any proof for an idea all there needs to be is lack of proof against it, which the purporter accepts as proof against it! If I say "God created everything" you say "Show me proof." but you say "It all happened from nothing" and I say "Show me proof" you say "Oh it's not about proof (in other words, proof is not needed) it's about lack of evidence against!"

That's even funny :-) So what's your best proof that God didn't make distinct kinds?

That is why I am here, to teach you if you are willing to learn : ) Testicles are external because to produce sperm properly temperature control is very important. The jugulars and windpipe are in a vulnerable positions because mobility is sometimes more important than protection.

Not all mammals testicles are hanging out in such a way to keep significantly cooled dangerously. Some, like horses I believe, are one of those - they are just under the skin to be sure, but not dangling. But in any case, considering the great risk to having such an important thing lost in battle I think would be a much greater force then just needing to keep cool. The force of evolutionary process which produced the eye and the brain I think well could have found a way to cause testicles to be able to handle the heat in order to be in were it's safe. Same with the jugulars - your unproven assumptions that "Oh it must have been better that way" doesn't convince me. You have no way of knowing that it would have not been better another way.

But see that's what happens when something about evolution doesn't make sense - you (and all evolutionary scientists) say "Oh well it must have some advantage" and you proceed to attribute it to some thing or another. And besides, when you say "It obviously is best that way or it wouldn't be that way" you're assuming ASBE is true in an almost circular way!

I would still love to hear your answer on the Pluto issue. If we can't agree on simple geometry, there's no wonder we can't figure other things out. It looks to me like you made a claim which you now know is absurd, but you don't want to admit it. But on the other hand, you can see that your claim when applied to Pluto, would be obviously wrong - who would believe that Pluto was not even in the night sky by the time it appeared overhead? Your refusal to answer the question along with your refusal to provide collaborating reports from anyone else and your refusal to provide any evidence against my claim (that the displacement is only about 20 arcseconds which is mostly due to stellar aberration) -- all this leads me to believe that you just won't admit that you are wrong. I wonder what else you're not admitting.

Thanks,

-Jesse
55 posted on 08/12/2008 9:20:21 AM PDT by mrjesse (Could it be true? Imagine, being forgiven, and having a cause, greater then yourself, to live for!)
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To: mrjesse; Soliton
Now if the sun orbited the earth, you'd be right.

From your perspective, doesn't the sun appear to move 180 degrees in a day? In the morning don't you see the sun to the East and in the evening don't you see the sun to the West? I guess you really prefer to live on faith, rather than your lying eyes.

It looks to you like my line blurs, but that's because our two classification systems are incompatible. Both have a dogmatic assumption (yours is ASBE and mine is distinct kinds)

What is your definition of distinct kinds? Are ponies and horses distinct kinds?

But see that's what happens when something about evolution doesn't make sense - you (and all evolutionary scientists) say "Oh well it must have some advantage" and you proceed to attribute it to some thing or another.

You do realize that your argument demonstrates serious flaws in the Intelligent Design theory? Evolution doesn't have anything to say about what may appear to our intelligence to be stupid or not, that is what design theory is all about.

Your refusal to answer the question along with your refusal to provide collaborating reports from anyone else and your refusal to provide any evidence against my claim (that the displacement is only about 20 arcseconds which is mostly due to stellar aberration) -- all this leads me to believe that you just won't admit that you are wrong. I wonder what else you're not admitting.

You are lying when you say that I have refused to answer your question about Pluto. I answered it several times. Simply because you don't understand simple ideas like the speed of light, frame of reference, etc. and don't accept my answer doesn't make my answer a non answer. It does make you a reprobate and a serial liar though. I think you owe Soliton an apology. Almost every posting you have made contains a lie or at least an error (which is much the same thing). Your posts are proof that Soliton is correct when he says that you can't go through the day without lying.

56 posted on 08/13/2008 7:58:57 AM PDT by LeGrande
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