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Now if the sun orbited the earth, you'd be right.

From your perspective, doesn't the sun appear to move 180 degrees in a day? In the morning don't you see the sun to the East and in the evening don't you see the sun to the West? I guess you really prefer to live on faith, rather than your lying eyes.

It looks to you like my line blurs, but that's because our two classification systems are incompatible. Both have a dogmatic assumption (yours is ASBE and mine is distinct kinds)

What is your definition of distinct kinds? Are ponies and horses distinct kinds?

But see that's what happens when something about evolution doesn't make sense - you (and all evolutionary scientists) say "Oh well it must have some advantage" and you proceed to attribute it to some thing or another.

You do realize that your argument demonstrates serious flaws in the Intelligent Design theory? Evolution doesn't have anything to say about what may appear to our intelligence to be stupid or not, that is what design theory is all about.

Your refusal to answer the question along with your refusal to provide collaborating reports from anyone else and your refusal to provide any evidence against my claim (that the displacement is only about 20 arcseconds which is mostly due to stellar aberration) -- all this leads me to believe that you just won't admit that you are wrong. I wonder what else you're not admitting.

You are lying when you say that I have refused to answer your question about Pluto. I answered it several times. Simply because you don't understand simple ideas like the speed of light, frame of reference, etc. and don't accept my answer doesn't make my answer a non answer. It does make you a reprobate and a serial liar though. I think you owe Soliton an apology. Almost every posting you have made contains a lie or at least an error (which is much the same thing). Your posts are proof that Soliton is correct when he says that you can't go through the day without lying.

What is your definition of distinct kinds? Are ponies and horses distinct kinds?

I've answered this before ("what is your definition of distinct kinds") so now I've put it here so I don't have to type it in over and over. Does that answer your question? I've never tried it but I believe horse and pony can produce fertile offspring -- so by my definition (linked above) Ponies and Horses are two species of one kind.

You do realize that your argument demonstrates serious flaws in the Intelligent Design theory? Evolution doesn't have anything to say about what may appear to our intelligence to be stupid or not,

But Evolution does have lots to say about what works - if it doesn't work, it won't happen. Or if it's not the most fittest path, it quite likely won't be taken. The fact that there appears in nature configurations which are measurably far less fit then provably more fit configurations flies in the face of evolution.

that is what design theory is all about.

Well, if you knew what God had as his goal and you knew that His goal was to make mankind invincible, then you might have a point. But according to the Bible, God did not intend to make mankind (or the animals) invincible. Quite to the contrary - some acts (such as the murder of an innocent human) had required punishments of death -- regardless of whether the killer was an animal or a human. It is clear that God did not intend to make life invincible, and that he designed it with vulnerabilities because that is what he wanted to do.

You are lying when you say that I have refused to answer your question about Pluto. I answered it several times.

It's easy to say "You're lying" to someone, but I notice that you did not provide a link showing where you answered it! You may have "answered" several questions that I did not ask, but you still have not answered my question as to how much angularly displaced will be the gravitational pull of Pluto from the optical angle of Pluto when the earth turns 102 degrees in the time it takes light to reach earth from Pluto, for an observer on earth. Will it be about 102 degrees, or not? If you did answer that question, please point out where, and show me to be the lier you keep accusing me of.

Simply because you don't understand simple ideas like the speed of light, frame of reference, etc. and don't accept my answer doesn't make my answer a non answer.

But if it's an answer to a question I didn't ask, and it's not an answer to the question I did ask, then it is a non-answer to the question I did ask. But this is just more of your theme of making statements without backing them up! (By the way, I perfectly understand simple ideas like the speed of light, frame of reference, and stellar aberration and light-time correction.)

It does make you a reprobate and a serial liar though.

Easy to say, much harder and more meaningful to demonstrate. Please link to at least a single thing that I said that was a lie! Do you go through life in the real world with people around you accusing them of lying all the while refusing to give a single reference of when and where?

I think you owe Soliton an apology. Almost every posting you have made contains a lie or at least an error (which is much the same thing).

Wow! How many times are you going to make the empty accusation of me being a lier without providing a single reference? This is like a theme of yours, from what I can tell. What is your goal? you know I won't be convinced by your factless mantra. Nobody else will either. I guess there's only one person that will pay attention to your unsubstantiated accusations - and that is you! And that is why you keep saying them over and over without evidence - to convince the one person who listens to you even though you have no evidence, and that person is you!

Your posts are proof that Soliton is correct when he says that you can't go through the day without lying.

Again, no proof whatosever! But then why should I be surprised. The sun's gravity is 2.1 degrees ahead of its optical position you say, and everybody at nasa knows about it, and yet you can't provide a single reference for it.

So why not just answer yes or no to my simple question? Why insist in talking about other things? My question is so simple. Either the gravitational pull is about 102 degrees ahead or it's not. What's so hard about that? Please? we've come so far, a couple more yes or no's won't hurt anything. (I'll want to know about a reasonably stationary heavenly body which is 12 light hours away next.)

Thanks,

-Jesse