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To: Ronaldus Magnus Reagan
Hey, whatever fantasy you're into is your own bag. For me, I need strong evidence to start developing a belief in such a nebulous idea as a deity, and I am so amused when people tell me that it is a certainty.

You seem fairly certain that my beliefs are fantasy, when you really don't know anything about them. I think that's more consistent with an atheist than an agnostic. But, I think there are many atheists who call themselves agnostic because it sounds more intellectual.

Maybe we'll met up on a religion thread sometime, and we can hash it out. ;o)

184 posted on 08/02/2008 8:10:42 AM PDT by OHelix
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To: OHelix
But, I think there are many atheists who call themselves agnostic because it sounds more intellectual.

No, there is a big difference and it's easily explained. I'll keep it quick and simple so as not to keep going off topic on this thread.

Atheism is the belief in nothing, no deity whatsoever. That is a religion for all intents and purposes. Atheism is clearly a religion, IMO. Agnostics come to the conclusion that we can't know if there is a deity or not, so we don't profess a belief that there is or there isn't. Dictionary definition is.."a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as God, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience."

For me, it is just not logical to be an atheist. I like to say that when when a search party gets into a spaceship and explores the entire universe and then returns and reports no finding of a God, then I will be an atheist. Until then, with the evidence at hand right now, we just can't know if there is a deity or not. There very well could be, and I allow for that possibility. Atheists don't.

For the people who are absolutely convinced that there is a God, I say that the burden of proof is on you. And I havn't seen any definitive proof from them.

190 posted on 08/02/2008 6:30:31 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus Reagan (Fight Socialism! Vote McCain '08!)
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