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To: OHelix
But, I think there are many atheists who call themselves agnostic because it sounds more intellectual.

No, there is a big difference and it's easily explained. I'll keep it quick and simple so as not to keep going off topic on this thread.

Atheism is the belief in nothing, no deity whatsoever. That is a religion for all intents and purposes. Atheism is clearly a religion, IMO. Agnostics come to the conclusion that we can't know if there is a deity or not, so we don't profess a belief that there is or there isn't. Dictionary definition is.."a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as God, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience."

For me, it is just not logical to be an atheist. I like to say that when when a search party gets into a spaceship and explores the entire universe and then returns and reports no finding of a God, then I will be an atheist. Until then, with the evidence at hand right now, we just can't know if there is a deity or not. There very well could be, and I allow for that possibility. Atheists don't.

For the people who are absolutely convinced that there is a God, I say that the burden of proof is on you. And I havn't seen any definitive proof from them.

190 posted on 08/02/2008 6:30:31 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus Reagan (Fight Socialism! Vote McCain '08!)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus Reagan
I understood the distinction between an atheist and an agnostic when I posted my previous post (To 180). I think there are many atheists who like to hide in an agnostic cloak.

For me, it is just not logical to be an atheist. I like to say that when when a search party gets into a spaceship and explores the entire universe and then returns and reports no finding of a God, then I will be an atheist. Until then, with the evidence at hand right now, we just can't know if there is a deity or not. There very well could be, and I allow for that possibility. Atheists don't.

For the people who are absolutely convinced that there is a God, I say that the burden of proof is on you.

You assume/presume that there is no God. I have been persuaded otherwise. Both are beliefs, which by your own clarification is the primary differnce between atheists and agnostics.

194 posted on 08/03/2008 8:47:38 AM PDT by OHelix
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