By the way, you aren’t just advocating surrender in iraq, you’re doing it for afghanistan too. Iraq is the “popular defeat” but you know that exposing your afghanistan position makes you extremely unpopular with just about everyone who isn’t a nut. So I’ll say it again, I would die before voting for a canidate who would surrender in afghanistan.
How am I advocating surrender in Afghanistan? We know the attackers came from there, we gave the Taliban an ultimatum which they ignored, we went back and forth on terms for turning over Bin Laden and they refused, so then we went in to supposedly get him and his cronies. Seven years later we still haven't done it. Perhaps if we had declared war on Afghanistan we'd have this done by now.