[rightwinghour]

By the way, you aren’t just advocating surrender in iraq, you’re doing it for afghanistan too. Iraq is the “popular defeat” but you know that exposing your afghanistan position makes you extremely unpopular with just about everyone who isn’t a nut. So I’ll say it again, I would die before voting for a canidate who would surrender in afghanistan.

How am I advocating surrender in Afghanistan? We know the attackers came from there, we gave the Taliban an ultimatum which they ignored, we went back and forth on terms for turning over Bin Laden and they refused, so then we went in to supposedly get him and his cronies. Seven years later we still haven't done it. Perhaps if we had declared war on Afghanistan we'd have this done by now.

[messierhunter]

How am I advocating surrender in Afghanistan?

By demanding we give up the fight. Paul does not support an all-out invasion, no holds barred, and he never has. He, like you, ignores all the damage we have done to al qaeda in the meantime and how disrupted we've kept them until now. You can't stop them just by killing one man, you have to kill all of them, or at least such a high percentage that the rest are incapable of creating a serious threat. He was against the afghanistan invasion before it started and he is still against it today. He is either a surrender-prone coward or he's a conspiracy nutjob who never really believed bin laden was behind 9/11.