[messierhunter]

I shouldn't have to tell you this, but surrendering means we stop fighting and become prisoners of war. Leaving Iraq and surrenduring to Iraq are two different things

Ok genius, I guess that means every japanese soldier and citizen became a prisoner of war when they surrendered. Surrender to terrorists means we stop pursuing them on all fronts. Complete and total surrender is what you're advocating.

[messierhunter]

By the way, you aren’t just advocating surrender in iraq, you’re doing it for afghanistan too. Iraq is the “popular defeat” but you know that exposing your afghanistan position makes you extremely unpopular with just about everyone who isn’t a nut. So I’ll say it again, I would die before voting for a canidate who would surrender in afghanistan.