[rightwinghour]

LMFAO! Oh, you're really a hoot. You claim it's not surrender and then you give an excuse for surrendering. You know what jack? Our foreign policy wasn't destructive enough from the get-go. We've been dealing with these islamic extremists since our nation was founded and it's time to end it for good, not run from it crying and hoping they don't attack us again. I don't even care if that means turning mecca into the world's biggest sheet of glass, but surrender is not the answer. Surrender only emboldens them, as it has in the past. That was Ronald Reagan's biggest mistake.

I shouldn't have to tell you this, but surrendering means we stop fighting and become prisoners of war. Leaving Iraq and surrenduring to Iraq are two different things.

[OHelix]

Yeah, throwing in the towel and just leaving the ring are two totally different things, too. But the result is the same: you lose, your opponent wins.

[messierhunter]

I shouldn't have to tell you this, but surrendering means we stop fighting and become prisoners of war. Leaving Iraq and surrenduring to Iraq are two different things

Ok genius, I guess that means every japanese soldier and citizen became a prisoner of war when they surrendered. Surrender to terrorists means we stop pursuing them on all fronts. Complete and total surrender is what you're advocating.