Ron Paul on Glenn Beck Show

[rightwinghour]

I watched Ron Paul on Glenn Beck today and as usual I was amazed that he is just about the only politician in Washington talking about the real issues. Neither McCain nor Obama will talk about monetary policy. They are scared to, because they know the system we have is unconstitutional and that the only way to fix things is to go back to constitutional money. But that would hurt, so it wouldn't be prudent to bring it up...

[djsherin]

I’m not sure WWII could have been completely avoided. It’s an interesting proposition because if we hadn’t given aid to the British or Chinese, it would have been interesting to see whether or not the Japanese would have seen us as a threat. I believe eventually Imperial Japan would have attacked us in some way, perhaps one of our military outposts in the Pacific or even the Philippines, which they did right around the same time as Pearl Harbor. But the administration certainly wasn’t trying to stay neutral.

Ultimately (assuming we never got involved) I think the Russians would have overwhelmed the Germans and the Chinese population would have been too much for the Japanese to handle. But it’s all hypothetical.

[SecAmndmt]

http://www.gunowners.org/mcgungrab.htm

(...)

Former California State Senator H.L. "Bill" Richardson wrote this about John McCain, "He's [McCain's] proven his dislike for conservatives and would gut us at every opportunity.

"Why do I say that? Because of three decades of experience as a Republican California Senator and a fifty year activist in the conservative movement. I have first hand, in-their-face experience with elitist RINO's (Republican in Name Only) office holders. They are biblically ignorant, power hungry, status seeking egotists who have no difficulty aiding their liberal Democrat colleagues whenever their arms are politely twisted. The one thing they have in common with liberal Democrats is their dislike for all conservatives, especially those who are Bible-believing. McCain, as president, would stifle the voices of elected Republican leaders and try to legislate the conservative movement out of existence."

Senator Richardson went on to say that he would in no way vote for John McCain, if indeed McCain is the Republican nominee (which he obviously will be).

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[SoCalPol]

So you think Obama will let you keep your guns.
I don’t give a rats ass what Richardson thinks.
I am a Reagan Republican (also worked for him when he ran for gov.) and will vote for McCain as I don’t want a Marxist in the White House.

[Dead Corpse]

Vote for McCain and you won't get a Marxist. If McCain wins, you'll get a Stalinist instead.

Either way, freedom is f*cked...

[rightwinghour]

I’m not sure WWII could have been completely avoided. It’s an interesting proposition because if we hadn’t given aid to the British or Chinese, it would have been interesting to see whether or not the Japanese would have seen us as a threat. I believe eventually Imperial Japan would have attacked us in some way, perhaps one of our military outposts in the Pacific or even the Philippines, which they did right around the same time as Pearl Harbor. But the administration certainly wasn’t trying to stay neutral. Ultimately (assuming we never got involved) I think the Russians would have overwhelmed the Germans and the Chinese population would have been too much for the Japanese to handle. But it’s all hypothetical.

I think if we had taken a defensive posture instead of an interventionist one, we could have had a navy and air force second to none that could have warded off an invasion. We poured alot of resources into Europe before Pearl Harbor that could have gone into our own military buildup. I think a military buildup, along with non intervention would have been the best policy during the war in Europe. The obvious weak point for us if they did decide to attack would of course be Hawaii, along with the territories we acquired from the Spanish American War. That's kind of ironic, since we acquired all of those through our own imperialism. Just goes to show Empire is not sustainable. Which leads me to the reason why I think an attack on us would not have been a certainty as some have said. Empires have never been sustainable. Alexander the Great, Napoleon, the Caesars, all of them conquered huge areas, but in the end they lost it all because Empires are just too freaking big and costly to control effectively. You're right though, there's alot of hypotheticals, but it is interesting to ponder.

[SecAmndmt]

“So you think Obama will let you keep your guns.”

Neither Bush, nor McCain, nor Hussein Obama, nor Hillaroid believes in original intent, including with respect to the 2nd amendment. The Bush Heller brief was anti-gun, and Bush’s ATF chief (Sullivan) has Ted Kennedy’s worldview on the 2nd. McCain has a GOA F- rating, he sponsored the last gun show ban attempt, and he has teamed up with gun grabbers in the last 6 years.

So...tell me again how voting for McCain will protect my 2nd amendment rights? McCain is ANTI-GUN.

Chuck Baldwin will protect my gun rights. At this stage, a vote for anyone but Baldwin (or Barr) is a vote FOR gun control.

[djsherin]

I believe empires CAN be sustained (and I’m not arguing that they should), the problem is their leaders get corrupt, their citizenry becomes apathetic, and their government starts falling apart at all levels. It ususally has something to do with debasing the currency too. We could easily maintain a trillion dollar empire (again I’m not arguing we should), but it would require huge cuts in or the elimination of social programs (which I’m in favor of anyway).

That said, I don’t think we should be trying to maintain bases all over the world especially since we won’t secure our own border.

[djsherin]

***At this stage, a vote for anyone but Baldwin (or Barr) is a vote FOR gun control.***

And for big government, statism, socialism, more taxes, increased spending, cand certainly not “change”.

[djsherin]

“cand” should be “and”

[SoCalPol]

Barr is for amnesty and a global warmmer also an ACLU employee and on his third marriage.
Baldwin is a 9/11 truther and many of his sites are anti Catholic.

[rightwinghour]

I believe empires CAN be sustained (and I’m not arguing that they should), the problem is their leaders get corrupt, their citizenry becomes apathetic, and their government starts falling apart at all levels. It ususally has something to do with debasing the currency too. We could easily maintain a trillion dollar empire (again I’m not arguing we should), but it would require huge cuts in or the elimination of social programs (which I’m in favor of anyway). That said, I don’t think we should be trying to maintain bases all over the world especially since we won’t secure our own border.

Empire inherently requires a debasement of the currency, and in the case of a fiat paper money system, it can lead to hyperinflation. You mentioned the cutting of social programs in order to pay for the empire, but that won't happen in the US. Our government will opt for inflation every time. As long as the printing press is running, there will be money to pay for perpetual war, as well as socialist spending programs on the domestic front. The thing is, once the citizenry gets a clue and finally realizes what is going on, I think some sort of revolution will occur, and the printing press will be destroyed.

[djsherin]

I realize reality is different than the hypotheticals I keep proposing, but they’re just that: hypotheticals. In reality of course empires have proven to be unsustainable. History provides many examples of this. As far as social programs being cut, it saddens me to admit that you are right and that people rarely give up their handout.

It’ll definitely be interesting to see how events unfold in the next few decades.

[SecAmndmt]

“Barr is for amnesty and a global warmmer also an ACLU employee and on his third marriage.”

Barr (who I do not support) his still better than McCain, who is on his second marriage, is for amnesty, believes in global warming and has received funding & support from George Soros. Not to mentioned that McCain’s foreign policy advisor in 2000 is now Hussein Obama’s foreign policy advisor (Brzezinski)

“Baldwin is a 9/11 truther and many of his sites are anti Catholic.”

Even if Baldwin were a 9/11 truther - and I haven’t seen a shred of proof that he is - he is still about a 95% candidate on issues important to conservatives and constitutionalists. McCain, on the other hand, is almost a 0% candidate on conservative and constitutional issues, and would be a train wreck for the conservative movement for the foreseeable future.

[rightwinghour]

It’ll definitely be interesting to see how events unfold in the next few decades.

Heck, it'll be interesting to see how the next four years unfolds.

[SoCalPol]

McCain is at least a man who served his country in war.

His two sons are in the military and youngest son will be on his second tour in Iraq in the Marines.

Most Third Party lemmings are anti war because they are not man enough to fight.

WE have two candidates and you know no third party fool will win, it only helps Marxist Obama.

You may feel more at home back at DU

[djsherin]

Really, voting for a third candidate helps Obama? An Obama supporter can tell (and has told) me that a third candidate vote helps McCain. Both are wrong: it helps the third party candidate.

[djsherin]

The reason for voting 3rd party is not because you think they’ll win, but because you can at least feel good about the choice you have made. Me being in California, it doesn’t matter who I vote for so I may as well vote for who I believe is the best candidate.

[djsherin]

No kidding. This is my first time voting.

[Ronaldus Magnus Reagan]

Police have never protected anyone, nor prevented a single murder. They come in after the fact, and establish symbolic power. If you wish to live, you have to be prepared to defend yourself by whatever means are available to you.

What an incredibly stupid thing to say. You sound like one of those Posse Commitatus kooks. Organized police forces do indeed keep us safer and keep criminals from committing more murders. They can't be in all places at all times, but they sure as hell keep us better protected by at least acting as a deterrent. Remove a police force from a city and see if the crime rate goes up. This should be elementary to you, and I'm shocked it's not. You've clearly been brainwashed by either the Freemen, Stormfront, Posse, or some other lunatic fringe anarchist group.

Your huffing and puffing provides no answer to anything; you haven't a reasonable understanding of current nor historic events.

You're just ticked off cause I'm loaded with facts and that I'm handily winning the debate against you and your fellow stormfront buddy named rightwinghour, who is an easy opponent in a debate. He's losing so badly he's given up against me. I argue with facts, logic and critical thinking skills while he is reduced to babbling over the technical difference between Congressional approval for use of force and approval for war. It's laughable. And he has another howler of a losing debate position when he is reduced to mumbling something about resistance movements under soverign governments versus occupational ones.

My positions make a hell of a lot more sense than yours.

[Ronaldus Magnus Reagan]

I think I would describe myself as someone who is absolutely convinced there is a deity. Although, I think I would say those words meaning "I have been fully persuaded".

Hey, whatever fantasy you're into is your own bag. For me, I need strong evidence to start developing a belief in such a nebulous idea as a deity, and I am so amused when people tell me that it is a certainty.