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To: Polarik

And now she(or someone else) is saying that all Hawaii does is issue electronic birth certificates? We need to put the two comments up side by side. I know I read it somewhere but can’t find it now.


8,255 posted on 07/18/2009 9:25:48 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: penelopesire; null and void; Beckwith; stockpirate; PhilDragoo; Candor7; MeekOneGOP; Myrddin; ...
Okubo equates "electronic" with anything done by computers. When she says "electronic birth certificate," she means that the COLB is "a graphical form generated by a computer containing information extracted from a birth records database" (which she also calls an "electronic system).

Here's what Okubo told WND in their June 7, 2009 article, Obama's 'birth certificate' not acceptable in Hawaii?"[My comments are in brackets]


According to Hawaii's Department of Health spokeswoman Janice Okubo, the state only issues "certifications" of live births since 2001 when the health department went paperless [not paperless with respect to the paper COLB they issue]. It is only available in electronic form [the COLB], she said.

"At that time, all information for births from 1908 (on) was put into electronic files [computer database], for consistent reporting," she is quoted as telling the Star Bulletin. "The electronic record of the birth is what (the Health Department) now keeps on file in order to provide same-day certified copies [the paper COLB], at our help window for most requests," Okubo said.

She said the U.S. Supreme Court has recognized the state's current certification of live birth "as an official birth certificate meeting all federal and other requirements." She did not, however, cite any specific rulings, and the Supreme Court has not taken up the issue of whether the certification of live birth would qualify a presidential candidate as eligible under the "natural born citizen" clause.

Here's an article I found in my searches online. It appeared in the May 24, 2008 issue of HAWAIIAN FILIPINO CHRONLICLE (Hawaii's #1 Filipino Newspaper). It appeared in a section called IMMIGRATION GUIDE, written by Attorney Emmanuel Samonte Tipon. Tipon's firm specializes on bringing illegitimate children to America, and has written the following guide on the subject:

"10 COMMANDMENTS ON HOW TO BRING YOUR ILLEGITIMATE CHILD TO AMERICA"

www.ImmigrationServicesUSA.com

A person wrote in and asked, "When people pretend to be married, even though they are single, by telling the Civil Registrar that they are married when reporting the birth of their love child, are there immigration consequences?"

Tipton's response was as follows:

A Certificate of Live Birth indicating, on the line ‘DATE AND PLACE OF MARRIAGE OF PARENTS,” a particular date and place of marriage of the parents, although they are not married, is a misrepresentation.

Most of the folks who do this give the excuse that it was to hide the shame of begetting an illegitimate child. Others say that the Civil Registrar will not register the birth of an illegitimate child carrying the father’s name.

Sure he will, if the illegitimate parents execute an “Affidavit of Acknowledgment” on the back of the Certificate of Live Birth. A travel agency prepared petitions for a petitioner’s 5 illegitimate children.

They obviously did not bother to read the children’s Certificate of Live Birth containing an entry that was not true, namely a particular date and place of marriage of the child’s parents. USCIS sent petitioner a Request for Evidence (RFE) asking for the marriage certificate of the child’s petitioning father and the child's mother.

The petitioner could not comply because he was never married. The petitions were denied. He was advised by the travel agency to appeal to the Board of Immigration Appeals. He did. But BIA dismissed the appeal because there was no basis for it since he did not submit the marriage certificate. He wasted money for the filing fees and the preparer's fees.

In another petition prepared by the same travel agency, the petitioner told them that the child was illegitimate and that the statement in the child’s Certificate of live Birth contained a false entry in the line “Date and Place of Marriage of Parents.” The travel agent told him not to worry about it. They filed the petition. USCIS sent him an RFE to submit the marriage certificate of the child’s father and mother. He could not.

If these folks had come to us before filing their petitions we would have told them to read the Certificate of Live Birth to be sure everything is correct. If the line “Date and Place of Marriage of Parents” contains a particular date and place which is not true because the parents were never married, the petitioner should hire a lawyer in the Philippines to file a petition in the Regional Trial Court for correction of an error in the birth certificate. (If you do not know of an honest and competent lawyer in the Philippines, contact me and I will refer you to one).

The petitioner should also obtain from the Civil Registrar a “Certificate of No Marriage” (CENOMAR) of the petitioner and the child's mother. It should be attached to the Petition for correction of error. The parents should execute affidavits stating that they have never been married to each other. The Petitioner should ask for an order directing the Civil Registrar to correct the Certificate of Live Birth by striking out the false statement in the line “Date and Place of Marriage of Parents” and writing in its stead “Not Married”.

The Decision should be registered with the Civil Registrar, Then the father can file a petition for his illegitimate child. He should attach a copy of the Decision and the corrected Certificate of Live Birth.


Patrick Leahy claims that the Obama/Dunham marriage is irrelevant. I think it is absolutely relevant, given what I read here.

8,257 posted on 07/18/2009 11:08:43 AM PDT by Polarik (Obama: When destroying America is not enough.)
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