That is not completely true but it is certainly fair comment. Initially, I attempted to follow the practice of citing references on the collateral issues however the volume of legal issues began to build up so I attempted to focus on them and stopped looking for references on the collateral questions; later I also got sloppy about the legal references because for anyone who wants them, they are posted and clearly spelled out on either this thread or one of the two prior threads. However this morning, at some point, I will set out the statute references and the legal again in a new Vanity post on the subject.
My own focus has been on the legal issues--I am a lawyer; admitted to practice before the U S Supreme Court; having argued a number of appellate cases. There is broad misunderstanding about the legal and in fact, the legal is very clear specific statute law that spells out exactly what the status is.
I didn't start to accumulate papers on these collateral issues until last week and I have enough that to search for links on these questions is time consuming--and there is no guarantee that I have all of them although I believe I can still find all the references. At some point, I may well do what you suggest and write a complete brief covering both the factual issues and the law.
But I see this as continuing to develop.
If you are asking about the law, it is 8 USCA Sec. 1401(g) (and in prior statutes Sec. 1401(7)). The effective dates of the various modifications is set out in the footnotes--Congress made some of the changes retroactively effective to some degree; however the key change, making the residence change for the single U S Parent from 5 years to 2 years is applicable only to persons born after November, 1986; thus Obama does not qualify.
Thank you, thank you, thank you David!
Title 8 SEction 1401
(f) a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States;
Assuming the speculation is correct, Obama would qualify above.
Its just a plain weakness of FR that it doesn't have a topical memory so that items of interest can be more easily accessed. We end up needing to repeat over and over in threads links to make these connections.
You said:
Initially, I attempted to follow the practice of citing references on the collateral issues however the volume of legal issues began to build up so I attempted to focus on them and stopped looking for references on the collateral questions
Well.. you have made quite a few statements that need backtracks to substantiate that have nothing to do with questions of law per se...
I am going to for the moment step away from the whole McCain isn't a natural citizen and such and the McCaskill bill that you haven't cited a source that actually contains language that helps Obama. Frankly, even without links you have provided enough substantial citations for your opinion for one to consider it regardless of what one takes away.
Lets work our way through these others one at a time..
The only thing that admits of a response is the Vital Statistics point. The newspapers in Hawaii of the day published each day, births and deaths and marriages of the preceding 24 hours. Someone has gone through and looked at library editions of those newspapers for August 3, 1961 to learn that nowhere in the first week of August is there publication of the birth of this guy under any of the available names. His mother doesn't appear anywhere as a mother either.
This is interesting.. but without who the "someone" is or where this "fact" is published (Link).. its pretty empty.. I am sure you can understand.. anyone can write anything..
I assume there is some factual background behind the Israel news reports regarding the investigation and product thereof, Kenya birth records demonstrating that Obama was born there. I assume further that he will never be able to produce a provable Certificate of his birth in Hawaii although it should be recognized that the Hawaii birth records employees are probably Liberals who support Obama and who will participate in any reasonable effort to support his position.
This needs a link to the article(s) mentioned. The next may just be a restatement of the former.. but it reflects more "facts" of interest without the grounding of the sources.
there is a reported interview of the "grandmother" and two of his half-siblings that purports to claim they were present at his birth in Kenya; and there is the Wayne Madsen update reporting that three investigators hired to investigate Obama's background in Kenya have located official records of his birth in Kenya confirming that his birth occurred in that country.
Link(s) please!
I think thats about all. When you cite these facts and in some place you do them all at once.. just drop in the links and that will handle the back chatter.
I understand completely. You see folks doing this over and over.. posting summaries in new threads.. and you think.. gosh.. they should give it up.. but honestly its a service just like the folks who do lists. It saves alot of ignorant posts fighting over facts.
What we need is a Free Republic Wiki that integrates with the threads so that we can access them and manage articles that summarize our understanding of each topic so that as new facts and info is added we don't have to keep repeating ourselves in the threads to maintain a memory of what has already been established.