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To: usmcobra
Just so I know why is it so important that we break treaties, congress has ratified, and we have signed in regards to international law just so that Obama can be our next president?
It isn't. What is important that we stay true to the ideals of the Constitution. What kind of precedent would it set to honor a treaty that violates the Constitution. That would just turn into a backdoor method to amend it. A scary proposition.

The citizenship conferred under the 14th amendment is very settled law. Like it or not children born on US soil are natural born citizens. There is a method to change it but it hasn't been done yet.

Obama's situation is not anywhere near as important as every man's situation. You can't declare Obama has lost his citizenship without declaring a lot of other American citizens have lost theirs as well. Their rights are more important than the political expedience of preventing Obama from being president.

4,654 posted on 08/09/2008 9:37:42 PM PDT by 21stCenturyFreeThinker
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To: 21stCenturyFreeThinker

The question isn’t merely his citizenship. There are millions of citizens who can never be president.

I think he may be one of them.


4,655 posted on 08/09/2008 9:40:34 PM PDT by null and void (Barack Obama - International Man of Mystery...)
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To: 21stCenturyFreeThinker

The 14th amendment is the most abused of all our legal rights.

It has become a bad law that allows people that are here illegally to have children that are United States Citizens just because they were born here. I would argue that because they were here illegally to begin with that they ignored our jurisdiction over them and they have no right to it or citizenship.

That anyone born in the United States is a automatically a citizen is a more recent view of the 14th, it wasn’t too long ago that Native Americans were not considered citizens or even Native born because by treaty their lands were separate from the United States.

It was originally intended to give citizenship to those slaves brought to this country against their will and forced to live here. The more liberal definition is a recent abuse of our laws.


4,660 posted on 08/09/2008 10:02:11 PM PDT by usmcobra (I sing Karaoke the way it was meant to be sung, drunk, badly and in Japanese)
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