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To: 21stCenturyFreeThinker

The 14th amendment is the most abused of all our legal rights.

It has become a bad law that allows people that are here illegally to have children that are United States Citizens just because they were born here. I would argue that because they were here illegally to begin with that they ignored our jurisdiction over them and they have no right to it or citizenship.

That anyone born in the United States is a automatically a citizen is a more recent view of the 14th, it wasn’t too long ago that Native Americans were not considered citizens or even Native born because by treaty their lands were separate from the United States.

It was originally intended to give citizenship to those slaves brought to this country against their will and forced to live here. The more liberal definition is a recent abuse of our laws.


4,660 posted on 08/09/2008 10:02:11 PM PDT by usmcobra (I sing Karaoke the way it was meant to be sung, drunk, badly and in Japanese)
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To: usmcobra
New post at No Quarter (!!)

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/09/obamas-impending-pearl-harbor/#more-4103

Obama’s Impending Pearl Harbor By Larry JohnsoncloseAuthor: Larry Johnson Name: Larry Johnson After a very productive time (working, not playing) in Hawaii, I believe that the Japanese attack at Pearl Harbor is an apt metaphor for what awaits Barack Obama if he becomes the Democrat’s official nominee. Michelle’s “whitey” tape and the controversy over his birth certificate are the least of his concerns. Opponents of Obama and some proponents of McCain have acquired information that will rapidly erase any memory of the audacity and perfidy of John Edwards. The “surprise” attack by the Japanese should not have caught the US fleet at Pearl Harbor unawares. There were advanced warnings that people in key positions ignored or shrugged off as unimportant. Well, guess what boys and girls? Similar warnings are now in the hands of the Democratic leadership and they are choosing to ignore the flashing red lights that signal danger ahead. Just today, courtesy of the Rocky Mountain News, we confirmed that Barack aka Barry Soetoro Obama was a citizen of Kenya since 1963. Barack has yet to stipulate when he renounced or relinquished that citizenship. That will be a distracting issue in the upcoming campaign. Americans don’t want to elect a Kenyan as President. It is that simple. But then there is the Indonesian problem and his Hawaiian birth certificate. I confirmed today that several teams/individuals visited Jakarta during the last six months to gather up critical documents regarding Barack. It is amazing what money can buy. The information includes details of how Barack made his way to Pakistan. Oh! Did I mention there have been similar efforts underway in Pakistan. There are several lessons and warnings in the John Edwards affair for Obama. First and foremost, you cannot hide your past. Did I also mention how small Hawaii is? Republican operatives, with help from their own island backers, have unearthed critical information on Obama and are just biding their time until after the convention to drop it on him. Such as? Having a birth certificate that lists you as Barry Soetoro. Barack aka Barry Soetoro might have escaped scrutiny back in 1960 when there was no internet. Controlling information back then was so much easier. Not today. It is there for the taking and the Democrats foolishly chose to trust this clown just as they trusted John Edwards. Who would have thought that John Edwards and his wife would be so arrogant and so disconnected with reality that they would embark on a presidential campaign even though they knew about his affair and the crazy nature of his paramour. Well, that kind of audacity and bamboozlement is not limited to the Edwards family. Meet the Obamas. You don’t know them? Don’t worry, Republican operatives are loaded for bear and you are going to meet a Barack Obama that was hidden and disguised during the Democratic primary. And when the introduction is over the Obama supporters will wish the only thing they had to worry about was a video with Michelle saying disparaging things about caucasians. Dems. You’ve been warned. Don’t be surprised when the attacks come.

4,661 posted on 08/09/2008 10:09:24 PM PDT by RubyR
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To: usmcobra; freema; MeekOneGOP; null and void; SE Mom
Atlas Shrugs has an interesting post regarding this.
I haven't followed this entire thread, (4566 comments, jeez) so I'm not sure if it was posted already.

Mr. Donald F. McGahn, II,
Chairman Federal Election Commission
999 E Street, NW,
Washington, DC 20463

Dear Mr. McGahan:
I would like to file a formal complaint with the Federal Elections Commission requesting verification of the natural-born U.S. citizenship of Mr. Barack Obama,
and revocation of the registration and recognition of Mr. Obama’s candidacy for president of the United States if that citizenship is not verified as described below within 7 days of the FEC receipt of this letter.
Mr. Obama has not shown that he fulfills the Constitutional requirement for president, to be a “natural born citizen”, Article Two, Section 1.

The basis for this complaint is:
a) Mr. Obama’s refusal to produce a physical certified, stamped copy of his birth certificate, with the Hawaii file number visible, upon my previous repeated request and the requests of others.
b) Significant analysis of the electronically-displayed image displayed by Mr. Obama on his official campaign website as the certificate indicates forgery.
c) The electronically-displayed image displayed by Mr. Obama on his official campaign website has the Hawaii state birth certificate filing number blacked out, eliminating any objective information that links the image to an actual certificate on file (see http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/atlas-exclusive.html).

If Mr. Obama produces a certified, stamped copy of the original birth certificate with all information visible, I request as the complainant to see that document in person to examine its authenticity,
including electronically, before the FEC finalizes its response; and the opportunity to verify the authenticity with the issuing state official.
This process should require no more than two business days, and may take place in at the FEC office in Washington.

4,668 posted on 08/09/2008 10:38:27 PM PDT by concretebob (Don't assume I'm on your side.)
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To: usmcobra
The 14th amendment is the most abused of all our legal rights.
That's an issue to take up with the Supreme Court. This discussion is about the way things are, not the way they should be. There are lot's of precedents dealing with this.
4,669 posted on 08/09/2008 10:39:59 PM PDT by 21stCenturyFreeThinker
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