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To: DrC
Responsive to your #4524: That comes from the Chicago Tribune series which is an effort to lay a factual background for what he wants to say in public, particularly in the way of adding to or modifying his book. It's what lawyers call "self serving".

Obama's birth location and citizenship was an issue in his earlier campaigns. No one had either the resources or the incentive to do enough research to reach a conclusive answer--proof that he was not a citizen or had not been born in Hawaii was not dispositive of the political contest. In the case at hand, if it can be shown he was born in Kenya, he is disqualified.

But Obama knew, and has known for some time that he has a real Constitutional problem with the issue. Partial evidence of that is in his effort with the Sense of the Senate Resolution he got Clair McKaskil to introduce, ostensibly to support McCain--in fact to address Obama's problem.

Against that back drop, this is his course of events as to how it might have happened and fit the provable factual time line.

This is another one of those descriptions that doesn't set out any supportable fact that places Stanley Ann in Honolulu in the relevant period. Some might remember that she had a "new relationship with Barack Obama (sr)" and had "weekend discussions" which "now involved graduate students". Those things in fact happened in the fall semester of 1960. However it is not disputed that she dropped out of school after the first semester and was not there in the winter semester of 1961.

The people who would have noticed that she was missing probably did. But she returned in August, of 1961 and was present between 1961 and maybe some point in 1962--we could speculate that she parted company with Obama Sr. by March or April of 1962 if the report that she was enrolled at the University of Washington for Spring Quarter, 1962 is correct.

But the Hawaii record is very mushy for this period. I assume that an investigator could pin down exactly when Obama Sr. graduated; and when he in fact started at Harvard. An investigator could also look for Stanley Ann as a single mother student at Washington; with her child?

Sarah didn't remain silent at all. As late as January, there were articles interviewing the Kenya family in which Sarah affirmatively claimed to have been present when he was born in Kenya. Those are all now gone from the record. But enough people on line remember seeing them that there isn't any doubt they were there.

You are correct about the wide group of people whose testimony needs to be controlled--in my view, that is why he will fail. Sarah has now been instructed not to say anything substantive to the press as have the other members of the Kenya family.

Everyone understands that it is fatal to Obama's campaign effort if it can be shown that he was born in Kenya--and it is a relatively simple concept to get to what is in fact a fairly small group of people remaining who have first hand knowledge of 1961.

Obama's personal response has been to stonewall--answer no questions of any nature. Stanley Ann's mother who obviously knows, is sequestered. She remains in full possession of her facilities and will understand the game plan completely. And she will have able lawyers to resist subjecting her to a real deposition.

What is in process is a classic coverup with a cooperative press. Obama has the advantage of a limited time line--he may only need to play defense until November. His principal adversary, Mrs. Clinton, probably has command of more factual material than anyone else. But her tactical ability to use it is limited.

She can't be the person that actually uses the material because that will be politically fatal.

And she has difficulty using her surrogates effectively--because she really can't be sure she will get the nomination if Obama falls, or at least falls too soon. All she can do is threaten--and if it appears that she is getting close to a breakthrough with her surrogates, Obama has the option of trading her the Vice Presidential nomination to get her to shut up. That course of action has its own hazards.

His trip to Hawaii this weekend is timely. We may hear nothing about the outcome. But it is a fair assumption that some effort will be made to address the paper record with the Hawaii Department of Public Health to come up with a legend that will fit the available information.

4,527 posted on 08/08/2008 3:29:25 PM PDT by David (...)
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To: David

The Hunter lie, the birth certificate lie,...what else has the media not reported in an attempt at collusion to elect Mr.Obama.


4,528 posted on 08/08/2008 3:34:06 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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To: David
"His principal adversary, Mrs. Clinton, probably has command of more factual material than anyone else. But her tactical ability to use it is limited."

You are correct. I seriously believe that she has the goods on him and I believe she will use her evidence or she will never be president.

Musings of an old man, perhaps, but has anyone contacted her offering to be her agent?

4,529 posted on 08/08/2008 3:44:46 PM PDT by OldEagle
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To: David; DrC
"Sarah didn't remain silent at all. As late as January, there were articles interviewing the Kenya family in which Sarah affirmatively claimed to have been present when he was born in Kenya. Those are all now gone from the record. But enough people on line remember seeing them that there isn't any doubt they were there."

It would seem to me if those interviews were on the Internet Freepers would have copied and posted them onto FreeRepublic, because that is what we do. So if they were ever online, then there should be some postings of the interviews in the FreeRepublic archives I would think.

4,533 posted on 08/08/2008 4:48:04 PM PDT by Spunky (You are free to make choices, but not free from the consequences)
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To: David; LucyT; Fred Nerks; Grampa Dave; potlatch; devolve; ntnychik; MeekOneGOP; gonzo; Jeff Head

4,548 posted on 08/08/2008 8:47:43 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: David; LucyT
His principal adversary, Mrs. Clinton, probably has command of more factual material than anyone else. But her tactical ability to use it is limited. She can't be the person that actually uses the material because that will be politically fatal. And she has difficulty using her surrogates effectively--because she really can't be sure she will get the nomination if Obama falls, or at least falls too soon. All she can do is threaten--and if it appears that she is getting close to a breakthrough with her surrogates, Obama has the option of trading her the Vice Presidential nomination to get her to shut up.
Great summary and analysis.
4,553 posted on 08/08/2008 10:35:00 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: David

Some thoughts.
1. He must get the nomination first and have this breaking soon there after.
2. Texas Darlin is Hillary follower I am told. So clearly, the Hillary camp is behind this as much as anyone.
3. I agree with you that Hillary has information on this.
4. I’m a physician. I find it odd that not one nurse, not one MD, not one local person, no one...has come forth with testimonials regarding Obama’s Hawaii birth. NO hospital records? That would put all speculation to rest if that were to happen.
5. Axelrod is running a campaign purely based on this man’s persona. He will avoid the issues, town hall meeetings etc with McCain as he knows Obama cannot support his positions wit the AMerican people, (pro abortion on demand, higher taxes, redistribution of wealth, anti gun etc.) Therefore, you can be sure that considerable effort has been put forth to straighten out the papaer trail of his birth.
6. I find it odd that State of Hawaii bureaucrats haven’t leeked anything, as one would think by now anyone who haS ACCESS to Obama’s records would have checked them out.
7. Axelrod is counting on this not being made public until after the election. ONce Obama is elected the democrats in control could tie this thing up for years. In the meantime, Obama is president. Making appointments etc. I think this shows the utter disregard for the office.
8. In the end, at this point I am having more and more faith in McCain. I don’t think the American public will vote for Obama.


4,554 posted on 08/09/2008 3:58:38 AM PDT by nikos1121 (The first black president of the US should be at least a "Jackie Robinson.")
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