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To: browardchad
Regarding the rest of your post, I'll refrain from comment, except to say that I haven't seen anything credible to support the theory that Obama was born in Kenya -- nor do I see any logic in the theory, given the history of that period and the financial situation of the main characters -- so I won't be joining in a nationwide search for records.

Thank you for the research assistance link.

I have done this exercise before but it may be helpful to have it come up on this thread more than once. The opposition is out there scrubbing sources as fast as they are disclosed here. However also, there is a vast array of citations on this thread to support my description of the facts.

There were a number of copies of a news report, the last ones to be scrubbed were in African periodicals which I do not read because I don't have the language, of an interview with a couple of Christian missionaries who were getting on a BOAC flight in Africa in July 1961 at the same time as a very pregnant white woman who could reasonably be identified as Stanley Ann (although I do not believe they identified her by name) which pregnant white woman was denied boarding because of her condition and airline policy.

There is a picture of Stanley Ann and Obama Sr. in the departure area of the old Honolulu Airport with Christmas decorations in place which Obama identifies as a wedding picture. It is a reasonable inference that picture was taken sometime around late December early January 1960-1961.

In her divorce papers, Stanley Ann alleges that they were married on February 2, 1961.

Obama Sr. was already married to another woman. Although that marriage would not be a defect rendering a second marriage to Stanley Ann void under US Law, it would have constituted a technical defect in the marriage (voidable) as well as a crime under US law at the time. Marriage in Kenya would have been legal and in accord with conventional standards--many Kenyans have multiple wives. It is not unreasonable to speculate that Stanley Ann and Obama Sr. were leaving the Honolulu Airport to fly to Kenya to be married.

And following the marriage, she did not return to school for winter semester in 1961; he probably did.

Stanley Ann's next appearance in the record is on Mercer Island in August of 1961 accompanied by baby Obama. It is not unreasonable to believe that she remained in Kenya after the marriage with his family where she was supported.

Additional news reports which have been scrubbed have early stories reporting interviews with Sarah (the woman he calls "grandmother" who is not) and two of his half siblings, the three of whom claimed to have been present at his birth in Kenya.

A Wayne Madsen update asserts that a record of his birth in Kenya was found in Mombasa.

Susan Blake was one of Stanley Ann's classmates and friends at Mercer Island High School. Mercer Island is a suburb of Seattle. An interview with Ms. Blake is still available in Video form in which she says that Stanley Ann visited her on Mercer Island in August of 1961 at a time when Stanley Ann had not yet learned to change diapers. The visit was a stop over on a trip from some undisclosed location. Ostensibly, the trip was on the way to Boston to see Obama Sr. who was in school at Harvard. In fact, Obama Sr. was not in Boston nor was he at Harvard until August 1962--the timing is wrong and Stanley Ann wasn't going Boston. Susan says the visit was in later August which would not be fatal to this time line but is inconsistent with the fact that Stanley Ann had not yet learned to change diapers.

The commercial connection between Kenya and the Western US is found in BOAC schedules for July and August of 1961 which are posted on this thread--through Glaskow to Vancouver BC. From personal experience, I know that passengers destined in the Western US from British Africa went from Vancouver to Seattle, usually by surface transportation, to continue their journey in the US in this period.

It is not an unreasonable thesis that what happened was that they went to Kenya, got married; her parents had kicked her out so she stayed in Kenya; got stuck because she was too pregnant to get on the airplane; Obama was born there; she immediately got on an airplane; on Mercer Island in August, 1961; on to Honolulu where she files some form of notice of birth.

What evidence is contrary? A digital display purporting to be a copy of a birth certificate which is a demonstrated fake--it is a clear fraud. Other than a proform newspaper Vital Statistics announcement not supported by any extrinsic evidence, there is no factual support for the proposition that Obama was born in Honolulu.

Against this backdrop, instead of a credible response from the candidate and the campaign, we have not only a stonewall--we have an aggressive effort to scrub the record and intimidate anyone from successfully organizing an investigative effort into the fact.

This is a critical issue. He isn't eligible to hold the office of President if he was born in Kenya. If he in fact has an answer, he lays it out immediately--if he loses this argument, he is out. He is betting that no one can effectively ask the question because if anyone does, he doesn't have an answer.

No real doubt in my mind. I have seen this play out many times in real life over many years in the law business. Obama was born in Kenya.

4,178 posted on 08/04/2008 5:02:39 PM PDT by David (...)
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To: LucyT

Bump #4178

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2040486/posts?page=4178#4178


4,188 posted on 08/04/2008 11:12:38 PM PDT by LucyT (What happens in Denver won't stay in Denver... August 25 - 28, 2008)
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To: David; Calpernia
Family of Barack Obama.WIKI-LINK.

Maya Soetoro-Ng (born Maya Kassandra Soetoro, August 15, 1970 in Jakarta, Indonesia) Barack Obama's half-sister.[3] Soetoro-Ng is a high-school teacher at La Pietra: Hawaii School for Girls in Honolulu, Hawaii, and teaches night classes at the University of Hawaii.

Barack was Born in 2 Hospitals, Sister Maya was Born Twice! link.

[NOTE: When originally published, readers interpreted this document to be a birth record. It is NOT. It's a vital records report that shows where she currently resides, NOT where she was born. It was used only to show the conflicting birth DATE.]

HOW CAN MAYA HAVE A HAWAII CoLB IF SHE WAS BORN IN INDONESIA?

what are we dealing with - a forgery of a forgery?

4,191 posted on 08/05/2008 12:52:14 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: David; LucyT; Calpernia; pissant; devolve; potlatch; Enchante; Shermy; STARWISE; PhilDragoo

Another clear and logical thesis by David versus the “This doesn’t mean anything, bsers!”.


4,202 posted on 08/05/2008 5:55:02 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Obama, the Oreo, wants special-ed treatment as our untouchable affirmative action candidate)
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To: David; browardchad
"There is a picture of Stanley Ann and Obama Sr. in the departure area of the old Honolulu Airport with Christmas decorations in place which Obama identifies as a wedding picture."

Show me where Obama identifies that picture as a wedding picture. I told you before that I MISTAKENLY identified it as a wedding picture from the Time magazine early on this thread, . To my knowledge Obama never said it was and Time never said it was. I mistakenly said it was and later apologized on this thread for having started that idea.

If you have evidence that Obama said it was their wedding picture post the source or link to that quote.

4,245 posted on 08/05/2008 8:32:03 AM PDT by Spunky (You are free to make choices, but not free from the consequences)
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