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To: Beckwith
Most of what we know comes from Obama's own autobiography/fable, and he has demonstrated that he plays fast and loose with the facts and the truth.

I'm willing to be charitable and buy that he's reporting the facts as he knows them.

Do you actually remember where you were the first 10 years of your life? I rather doubt it!

You know what you were told, and that probably a little garbled.

In young Barry's case it is entirely possible that he was deliberately lied to. Suppose Stanley Ann wanted to give her kid every advantage? Not an unreasonable thing to do for a brand new baby, is it? You have an opportunity to raise his station in life from third world birth to American Citizen. For whatever reason you find yourself on US soil with an brand new baby, and realized that a little white lie on a couple documents can get him a "bullet proof" citizenship. (compare this to a Mexican woman showing up at a US hospital with a itty-bitty baby and claiming it was born at a friend's home in Chula Vista). If the kid ever blabs that he was reallllly born elsewhere (say something like "Aged 10, he returned to Hawaii to live with his grandparents and attend Punahou School. He made friends quickly and told his classmates that his father was an African prince, the leader of a proud and successful people, and he was born in Kenya." It might cause an awkward question or two. Easier to tell the little darling that he was born in Hawai'i and be done with it.

IOW, Like Bush with Iraqi WMDs, Obama isn't lying, he's reporting the facts as he knows them! They might not be an accurate representation of reality, but they are what they sincerely believe.

1,773 posted on 07/06/2008 8:20:07 AM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can differentiate, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians - OBL)
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To: null and void

Per your request and cringes as I hit post, but at this point our own conjecture seems as good as any “facts” that have been presented.


If, if his entire past was created they did a lousy job of it. It is messy. IF there is a conspiracy to get him into the Presidency his past is just too messy to get him there. So, no I don’t think there is a conspiratorial past.

But...and this is where I am leaning he may have had a more than difficult childhood. Jerked around all over the globe, placed in questionable schools, and finally grandparents who took custody of him because of his rocky life.

It is not unusual for children in dysfunctional situations to create an alternate past. Sometimes they a pretty darn clever in what they create and other times the lies eventually catch up with them. And then they finally decide to get mental health help to cope/resolve the issues.

The more and more I read, think, and consider this murky past it seems he is the product of a liberal dysfunctional family life. Born at a time when mixed marriages would be scorned, children of the mixes disowned by the families(even liberal families were embarrassed). Things may very well be misquoted and misplaced as Obama doesn’t want to recall his past accurately, it may be just too painful.

Now he wants to be President; as the public continues to question the dates, associations, and accuracy the bill is coming due. Bush had to deal with his alcoholic past and in these times of interent researchers and joe public having the ablity to question and compare like never before this puts great pressure on candidates. One coping mechanism is ignore the accusations, which is appears to be what the Obama campaign is doing.

Obama’s white grandmother is kept from the public. Why? She could be ill, etc. or she knows the truth of Obama’s dysfunction. Ultimately neglected by two fathers, abandoned by Ann, and who knows how he was really raised by his white grandparents? We are led to believe they were kind, generous etc., but we really don’t know—do we? She brought him home from Indonesia and dumped him on her parents. She took Maya back with her, but left Barry behind. OMG...WHY?

Lots of ideas run through my mind. Thinking back to what an 18 years old pregnant teenager might do with a black baby by a foreigner might do. In 1961 that would be a bombshell! How easily swayed by the father’s words/promises, etc. Angry parents would drive her away and into his arms. My family would have disowned me. Remember, Obama doesn’t even want to look too closely at these details, why?

Yes, crazy conspiracy theories and all I think they went to Kenya in the spring of 1961. Obama Sr. and a crazy 18 yr. old American girl spent summer break in Kenya. Ann never realizing the citizenship of her son was at risk, enamored with the rebirth of the Kenyan nation. She comes home and tells the authorities...whatever... to get him a BC. His birth is never recorded in Kenya except in the minds of his Kenyan family. No records except memories. And Ann’s secret goes with her to the grave.


1,830 posted on 07/06/2008 11:32:12 AM PDT by EBH ( ... the riotousness of the crowd is always very close to madness. --Alculin c.735-804)
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