Blogger admits Hawaii birth certificate forgery, subverting Obama claims (Uh-oh)

Israel Insider ^ | 3 July 2008 | Reuven Koret

[fso301]

I think everybody needs to be really careful here. Today I did the obvious, took a seal and embossed several locations of an 8.5 x 11 color ad I happened to have on my desk. I made sure to press quite hard when making the seals. I then passed the page through a bulk color scanner at 200dpi resolution, I then scanned the reverse side which was all white.

At 100% size on the ad copy side, 3 of the 4 embossed seals show up. at 50% size, only 1 of the 4 seals showed up.

When I looked at the white side, none of the seals were visible, even at 100% size.

The image on Obama's website may have a seal but it may only be visible at 100% image size. After what I did today, I'm not concerning myself with this matter any more.

[Spunky]

FINDLAW

Go to page 2 and you will see the law that fits Obama's circumstances since he was supposedly born in 1961.

"4. December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986
If, at the time of your birth, both your parents were U.S. citizens and at least one had a prior residence in the United States, you automatically acquired U.S. citizenship with no conditions for retaining it."

"If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16. There are no conditions placed on retaining this type of citizenship. If your one U.S. citizen parent is your father and you were born outside of marriage, the same rules apply if your father legally legitimated you before your 21st birthday and you were unmarried at the time. If legitimation occurred after November 14, 1986, your father must have established paternity prior to your 18th birthday, either by acknowledgment or by court order, and must have stated in writing that he would support you financially until your 18th birthday."

The law you are quoting is the 1986 law. It is not retroactive except for Military families.

Follow Davids postings on this. He states he is a lawyer and has given a good explanation of it. In fact David may give you the link to his explanation.

[Baladas]

Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii...wait, he was born in Kenya. No, Hawaii. No, Kenya...

Okay, now can somebody explain why a forged document is on his official website?

[taraytarah]

“Before I prove Obama is an America, prove to me you are not a Soviet spy. I dont want to give intel to the enemy.”

“I think you have not yet been enlightened as to who the real and threatening enemy is.”

Aha! so you *admit* it!

Okay, just to amuse you, I admit Im a Soviet spy and I too was born in Hawaii. And I know you'll believe me, just 'cause I said it's so.

Alright,here goes.....ahem.....I know where you live and I've seen where you sleep, and when my luau's over, I'm sending the KGB over to wake you up and shake you up....and maybe offer you a mai tai.

What Other Stupid Game do you want to play?

[Spunky]

"His Mom was at Univ. of Hawaii and so was his Dad. Two communists in love, isn’t that special? The idea that thse two would interrupt their lives and fly overseas for no apparent reason other than to have Barack born in a dangerous 3rd world country is ... bizarre. And counterfactual."

The Time magazine says Ann Dunham quit school after only one cemester. Barack Obama Sr probably did also. I don't know where you have been, but Barack Obama Sr. was from Kenya, his family lives in Kenya, his other wives are in Kenya. So why wouldn't they go to see his family? Sounds like a good reason to me.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Not so Fast....

From this comment by Aragon on June 23, 2008 at 1:36 pm at the TexasDarlin site see link above ...post #1379:

Why reference is made to filed and not accepted;.....cont

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Aragon // June 23, 2008 at 1:36 pm

It’s right there and you all can’t see it.

I am an attorney of 13 years so am used to working with lingo and working my way backwards to figure out which laws and regulations are in play.

What do the two following discrepancies have in common:

1. A regular Certification of Birth says “Date Accepted By State Registrar” vs. Obama’s “Date Filed By Registrar”;

2. There is a black field where the certificate number should be.

The Answer to the discrepancies noted in 1 and 2 above are the same. You get a birth cerficate number when the proposed certificate is accepted by the State Registrar!

There is no certificate number because, while a proposed certificate was submitted (Date Filed by Registrar), it was never accepted (Date Accepted by Registrar).

The black field you see does not cover a certificate number rather it hides the fact of its non existence.

As an attorney allow me to work backwards here. Given my familiarity with legislating I submit that the State of Hawaii had a system in place wherein if a proposed certificate of birth was submitted by a hospital or registered medical facility it would, as a matter of administrative rule, be routinely approved and accepted by the State and a Birth Certificate issued. However, if not born in a major hospital or registered medical facility then further proof would be needed upon submission of the proposed certificate. In the instant matter, while a proposed certificate was filed with the Registrar it was not accepted for any number of reasons.

Where a proposed certificate is not accepted then an applicant can ask for a hearing or otherwise submit proof surrounding the circumstances of birth for purposes of having a birth certificate issued. My guess is that Barrack’s mother never provided adequate proof to the Registrar of the circumstances surrounding Barrack’s birth. This may be because Barrack was born elsewhere, adopted, or who knows.

As further proof of matters as surmised above, the fact that the certificate of birth we see references African as race testifies not to the State’s labelling practices (which practices did not include such a label) but rather to how the mother or father classified themselves as it was they that submitted the proposed certificate of birth. This explains this oddity “African” very well.

So what we have here is a State Summary of a Proposed Birth Certificate which certificate was never accepted by the State. Perhaps Barrack was born in the U.S., however, what he doesn’t want is to have to apply for a hearing with the Registrar’s office for purposes of submitting proof of the circumstances of his birth. This would be a zoo. And it may be too late to ask for such a hearing in which case he would have to apply for the hearing, be rejected, then appeal to the higher court’s for resolution of the matter. Further, the their may be a constitutional requirement of U.S. birth, a birth certificate while likely presumptive evidence of the fact, is not the only means of proving the fact. Here, Obama, if challenged on his place of birth could file a declaratory action with the Federal Courts seeking to establish his birth in the U.S. for purposes of satisfying, not the State of Hawaii, but the constitutional requirements of one seeking to hold the office of presidency. But this again would be a zoo and legally murky.

Anyway, my familiarity with the law indicates that the above explanation is a good one and accounts for many things:

1. Why reference is made to filed and not accepted;
2. Why there is a black field where the certificate number should be;
3. Why Obama refuses to state what hospital he was born in;
4. Why there is a discrepancy in accounts as to which hospital Obama was born in;
5. Why there is no attestation and seal on the certificate of birth submitted by Obama; (Note what has been produced is not a birth certificate nor a substitute for same as it was not accepted, therefore, no seal was necessary as it is merely a public document.)
6. Why Obama won’t release his birth certificate.
7. Why Obama can say straight faced he was born in Hawaii (because he thinks he was or can say he thinks he was and can just say the birth certificate was nothing but a mere formality that his family never took care of.).

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Can’t answer that other than his staff thought it would help him.....see post #1386....

[tutstar]

maybe google books

http://books.google.com/books?id=ifIkAAAAMAAJ&q=barack+hussein+obama&dq=barack+hussein+obama&lr=&as_brr=0&pgis=1

[taraytarah]

...no diaper service receipts..

lol

[JohnnyP]

I read something in another thread that said he was three years old in 1967. Speculation is that this was a way to get past the mother’s five year requirement after age eighteen.

In his book, he said he was fifteen when he ran across his birth certificate with a bunch of old papers in the attic.

It’s like reading stuff from the KGB, where the spymasters create a false identity for their agent, called a “legend”.

[muawiyah]

What folks really want is the original document used to record what the mother (and probably her parents) had to say about the baby daddy.

Might be quite intriguing.

The records nurse might well have not been in any position to do the sort of filtering later analysts (Census, HHS, etc.) might do when presented with such materials, so she just wrote down what the correspondents said.

That material would then be reflected in a current document drawing down on the original source materials.

Maybe the babydaddy was present. Maybe he was there and said he was "African" - he might even have been a follower of Ghana's first President, Kwame Nakruma, and he was insistent that Africa (subsaharan BTW) needed to be organized as a United States of Africa for the benefit of the African race.

Yup, I've read all ol'Kwame's stuff and recall a fair amount of it. He was quite popular in the early '60s among African intellectuals ~ all 10 of them ~ (and I knew 4 of 'em - Good lord were those folks in trouble).

I doubt any records nurse would get away with arguing with the elder Barack Obama.

I think it's interesting that modern technology is giving us access to exactly what people said "way back when" before there were any federal impositions on the parlance of ordinary people about what "race" might mean.

BTW, in UK "race" means "ethnicity", and among dog breeders "race" means "descent" ~ not that any of that is relevant, but Hawaii was a UK property before it belonged to the USA.

[bvw]

Mid-sixties photos.

[bvw]

Adjusting the picture.

[fso301]

Thank you for that well reasoned post.

[Spunky]

"In his book, he said he was fifteen when he ran across his birth certificate with a bunch of old papers in the attic.

What a bunch of crap.

From Time Magazine: "In 1971, when Obama was 10, Ann sent him back to Hawaii to live with her parents..........A year later,(Obama would now be 11) Ann followed Obama back to Hawaii, as promised, taking her daughter but leaving her husband behind. (That would be Soetoro).......After three years of living with her children IN A SMALL APARTMENT in Honolulu, subsisting on student grants, Ann decided to go back to Indonesia to do fieldwork for her Ph.D. Obama, then 14, told her he would stay behind.

It appears at 15 he was back living with his grandparents. I know as a Grandmother I would NEVER put ANYONES birth certificate in a box in the attic for mice and bugs to eat up. They always go in a safe place.

[Freedom of Speech Wins]

Obama clearly looks three years old in the picture that that site claims was taken in 1967. He doesn't look 5 or 6 years old in that picture.

If the picture was taken in 1967 as the site claims, I would believe that Obama was only 3 years old at the time of the picture! That would mean a birth year of around 1964.

However they could be lying about the date of the photo to make it seem like the mother was 21 instead of 18 years old when she gave birth to Obama which would be significant if he was born abroad.

In his 1972 5th grade picture he does look like a fifth grader. However he could have grown fast. African kids can grow fast at times as can any nationality. Also in the picture he is on a raised level so that he may look taller than he actually is. He probably was tall for his age to be at the back, but he wasn't as tall as he looks in the picture, clearly, as he is on a raised level.

When do we get to the switched at birth with the child of a peasant scenario, or he was born in 1964 and there was a prior child born in 1961 who died and they used the records?

Is there a 1961 birth certificate of Obama in the first place?

It appears that we have two birth dates that were reported for Obama, one in 1961 and one in 1964.

This could have an extraordinary explanation as he couldn't have been born in both years. So whatever the case in looking in to this we will have to seem like tin foil hatters.

[PhatHead]

Well, thanks. Do you also know of any links to any sort of evidence to suggest that he was not born in Hawaii?

[SE Mom]

EXCELLENT post and reminder, Ernest!

My sense is that a lot of folks are coming to the birth certificate discussion/question thinking we are jumping to conclusions based on a few blog posts.

There’s been exhaustive studying and research done on this topic by people much smarter than I am- from techies to lawyers and everything in between.

What we’re left with is a mystery that is not answered by - the documents on the Obama or Daily Kos websites.

When reasonable freepers warn this could be a set up- I repeat:

IF we’re being set up- then the documents on the sites are false, correct? Otherwise- there’s no set-up because the doc’s are legit.

SO- IF we’re being set-up, THEY are the ones being deceitful in the first instance. For them to now turn around and say- Looky here- this (different) document is the REAL ONE. Ok, but it’s then reasonable to ask-why did you provide a false one initially? (AND LET IT STAND FOR TWO PLUS WEEKS ON THE OFFICIAL SITE)

Logic...

[par4]

The Boeing 707 and Douglas DC-8 both entered service with commercial carriers in 1957 or 1958; by 1961 I think that most flights of any length overwater were by jet, not prop.

[EBH]

It is not just the embossed seal “missing.”

It is the statement it is a certified copy of an original signed by a notary.