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Justice Scalia Gets His Gun; SCOTUS Finds 2nd Amendment
Leibowtiz's Canticle ^ | June 26, 2008 | Leibowitz

Posted on 06/26/2008 7:24:53 AM PDT by Bob Leibowitz

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To: Bob Leibowitz

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101 posted on 06/26/2008 10:07:10 AM PDT by Christian4Bush ("In Israel, the President hit the nail on the head. The nails are complaining loudly." - John Bolton)
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To: Gaffer
never officially advocated citizen machine gunnery

You say this like citizens with machine guns are undesirable.

102 posted on 06/26/2008 10:09:48 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: from occupied ga

Oh, on the contrary. I long for the pre-64 days when it was legal....I was just pointing out that gun rights advocates aren’t even asking for them...


103 posted on 06/26/2008 10:15:12 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Bob Leibowitz

Read the complete decision, which is very interesting for any citizen:

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/scotus-op-heller06262008.pdf


104 posted on 06/26/2008 10:17:03 AM PDT by docbnj
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To: Sunsong
However - do not be surprised if Obama wins the presidency - that he will stack the Court. He will say there is a need to have 11 justices for some reason or another and then pack it wilt liberal-leftists until he has a majority.

He doesn't have to. This was a 5-4 decision. One more liberal appointee, and there will be a 5-4 decision saying in essence that the previous court erred, or that it doesn't apply in some more general way.

105 posted on 06/26/2008 10:47:17 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine (Is /sarc really necessary?)
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To: Bob Leibowitz

WOOOOOOOO-HOOOOOOO!!!!!! Now lets begin impeachment proceedings against the idiot judges who fail their oath of office. They have become nothing more than political lemmings and are a disgrace to their office.


106 posted on 06/26/2008 11:17:23 AM PDT by vpintheak (Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked. Prov. 25:26)
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To: Resolute Conservative
Even the requirement to have a CCH to carry concealed is crap IMO.

It certainly is. Making a distinction about how arms are carried has no basis in reason or the meaning of the 2nd Amendment. "shall not be infringed" is the standard the government must accept.

107 posted on 06/26/2008 12:04:45 PM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin 1936. Olympics for murdering regimes. Beijing 2008.)
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To: messierhunter; Bob Leibowitz; hellinahandcart; holdonnow; Congressman Billybob; Joe Boucher; ...
Two things about Stevens' comment are striking right off the bat: First, that Justice Stevens is suddenly an originalist -- "O Brave New World, that has such people in it!"

Second, JPS appears to believe that conditions for the founding generation were roughly equivalent to conditions now, and that many of the framers did not literally have the frontier outside their back doors, or that the framers were not revolutionaries whose individual possession of weapons made the Constitution possible in the first place.

Since Stevens is suddenly interested in these things, here's the opinion of one of them concerning the Supreme Court:

"But the opinion which gives to the judges the right to decide what laws are constitutional and what not, not only for themselves in their own sphere of action but for the Legislature and Executive also in their spheres, would make the Judiciary a despotic branch."

—Thomas Jefferson to Abigail Adams, 1804.

As true in 1804 as in 2008. That at least has not changed.

108 posted on 06/26/2008 12:34:36 PM PDT by FredZarguna (I'm taking Grandma's advice and I'm holding my nose, John, stop sticking your finger down my throat.)
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To: Bob Leibowitz
While the decision does not automatically expand Second Amendment protections and prohibitions to affect state laws...

I believe, given the settled meaning of the 14th Amendment, that this statement is untrue. Furthermore, reading Scalia's opinion directing a few things which would not be affected by the ruling, I think the clear direction is that many other conditions imposed by States -- such as outright bans -- no longer are valid.

109 posted on 06/26/2008 12:38:58 PM PDT by FredZarguna (I'm taking Grandma's advice and I'm holding my nose, John, stop sticking your finger down my throat.)
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To: FredZarguna; Bob Leibowitz
Sorry. I missed the crucial word "automatically" in your original statement. Quite right.

The opinion says clearly this case does not discuss the question of incorporation, and the current settled meaning from US v. Cruikshank is that the Second Amendment is not incorporated. However, as I read Scalia's decision, he is clearly inviting a test case to do just that, and the NRA has announced it will apply an incorporation test against Chicago.

110 posted on 06/26/2008 1:04:52 PM PDT by FredZarguna (I'm taking Grandma's advice and I'm holding my nose, John, stop sticking your finger down my throat.)
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To: FredZarguna
We have a long way to go to fix this mess, and many threats to face.

Skinning Cats Legal Means to Disarm the Second Amendment

111 posted on 06/26/2008 1:46:53 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (We have people in power with desire for evil.)
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To: JohnLongIsland
In dissent, Justice John Paul Stevens wrote that the majority "would have us believe that over 200 years ago, the Framers made a choice to limit the tools available to elected officials wishing to regulate civilian uses of weapons."

Is it me or does this prove how radically socialist and totalitarian the left wing members of SCOTUS are?

For what purpose would Stevens guess the Second Amendment was written? While it is certainly true (especially today) that lots of legislation is written for purposes other than what is supposedly intended, it would seem bizarre that legislation that says "The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" wouldn't be intended to prevent government from infringing the right to keep and bear arms.

112 posted on 06/26/2008 4:09:14 PM PDT by supercat
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To: dubie
So all DC has to do is not issue licenses?

It cannot refuse licenses arbitrarily and capriciously. Unless DC can quickly show some sound reason why Heller should get his license, it must be issued forthwith; I would expect that Heller could proceed as though he has a license, since, were he arrested, he could argue that the only reason he does not have a license is that DC has wrongfully failed to give him one; the government is not allowed to punish people for its own mistakes. Not that that's ever stopped it before, of course...

113 posted on 06/26/2008 4:15:42 PM PDT by supercat
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To: Joe Brower
Oh happy day!

Roberts and Alito; Two things (judges) Bush gets big credit for!

114 posted on 06/26/2008 7:58:54 PM PDT by Barnacle (Communists and Jihadists were at odds...Then came Barack.)
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To: moder_ator
I think it's time that "Alito" is recognized by FR spell check.
115 posted on 06/26/2008 8:00:59 PM PDT by Barnacle (Communists and Jihadists were at odds...Then came Barack.)
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To: Bob Leibowitz

Four Judges did not defend the Constitution.

Scarier and scarier.


116 posted on 06/26/2008 9:48:45 PM PDT by hattend (Obama is a lying idiot. We're so screwed. - Rush Limbaugh)
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