Posted on 06/21/2008 10:56:04 AM PDT by pissant
I have acquired additional information related to my earlier posts today (at my blog) on the subject of Barack Obama’s ‘Certification of Live Birth.’
My first post on this subject, Obama Birth Certificate, Fake?, included an analysis that I came across by a blogger named Polarik, who concluded based on “20 years of experience in computers, printers, and typewriters” that the document provided by the Obama campaign (and published by Daily Kos) was manufactured.
In a subsequent post, Certification of Birth from Hawaii: Where’s the Seal?, I showed a ‘Certification of Live Birth’ from Honolulu County for Patricia Decosta, which I found posted at Free Republic (thanks to reader shainzona). (And yes, I know it’s a “right wing” publication but that does not make the information false).
Here is the document posted by the Obama campaign on its Fight the Smears website as evidence of Obama’s birth in Hawaii in 1961:
And here is Ms. Decosta’s certification:
Now, compare the two documents. Polarik’s technical analysis notwithstanding, my lay person’s eye noticed three differences right away:
1. Ms. Decosta’s certification displays fold marks, which you might expect to see on a document sent through the mail.
2. The certificate number on Obama’s document is blacked out; Ms. Decosta’s is not.
AND
3. An embossed seal is visible on Ms. Decosta’s certification; there is no embossed seal on Obama’s. (You can see the embossed seal very clearly on the larger image at FR here.)
The Vital Records office in Hawaii has confirmed the following with respect to requests for certified copies of birth certificates:
1. Certifications of live birth are always mailed from the VR office, and never transmitted electronically.
2. Certificate numbers are never blacked out.
AND
3. Certifications will always have an embossed seal.
Your theory that the embossed stamp may have been on the back of the “certificate” doesn’t work...look at Patricia Decosta’s cert. The embossed stamp is on the back and clearly shows...albeit, backwards.
Yeah....so you and I both keep saying......over and over again..... ;)
What do we know......((shrugs shoulders))
I searched the following on Ancestry.com :
BArack or Barry Obama or Dunham Honlulu Hawaii 1961 and came up with nothing.
I also searched Ann Dunham for marital records and came up with nothing.
In other words, there was no public record of any birth or any marriage.
I searched the following on Ancestry.com :
BArack or Barry Obama or Dunham Honolulu Hawaii 1961 and came up with nothing.
I also searched Ann Dunham for marital records and came up with nothing.
In other words, there was no public record of any birth or any marriage.
Something is definitely going on here.
Thanks for the ping. interesting read that’s for sure.
ARe you sure that Obama is a natural born citizen? This was taken from Wikipedia. Depending on the law in 1961, Obama may not be eligible for the presidency if he were born overseas to an 18 year old mother.
Through birth abroad to one United States citizen
For persons born on or after November 14, 1986, a person is a U.S. citizen if all of the following are true:
One of the person’s parents was a U.S. citizen when the person in question was born;
The citizen parent lived at least 5 years in the United States before his or her child’s birth; and
At least 2 of these 5 years in the United States were after the citizen parent’s 14th birthday.
A person’s record of birth abroad, if registered with a U.S. consulate or embassy, is proof of his or her citizenship. Such a person may also apply for a passport or a Certificate of Citizenship to have a record of his or her citizenship. Such documentation is often useful to prove citizenship in lieu of the availability of an American birth certificate.
Different rules apply for persons born abroad to one U.S. citizen before November 14, 1986. United States law on this subject changed multiple times throughout the twentieth century, and the law as it existed at the time of the individual’s birth controls.
I think you may be rigth regarding the citizenship thing. I don’t think Obama would be eligible if he were born overseas.
See from Wikipedia:
Through birth abroad to one United States citizen
For persons born on or after November 14, 1986, a person is a U.S. citizen if all of the following are true:
One of the person’s parents was a U.S. citizen when the person in question was born;
The citizen parent lived at least 5 years in the United States before his or her child’s birth; and
At least 2 of these 5 years in the United States were after the citizen parent’s 14th birthday.
A person’s record of birth abroad, if registered with a U.S. consulate or embassy, is proof of his or her citizenship. Such a person may also apply for a passport or a Certificate of Citizenship to have a record of his or her citizenship. Such documentation is often useful to prove citizenship in lieu of the availability of an American birth certificate.
Different rules apply for persons born abroad to one U.S. citizen before November 14, 1986. United States law on this subject changed multiple times throughout the twentieth century, and the law as it existed at the time of the individual’s birth controls.
The issue isn't about it being an original document, thee issue is about it being a requested re-issue on a state manufactured form, namely "OHSM 1.1 (Rev11/01) Laser".
His copy doesn't look like others issued on the supposedly identical form, but all the others look alike.
THAT's the issue.
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